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Pete Buttigieg says US backs new Marshall plan to rebuild Ukraine
The Guardian ^ | 5/20/22 | Kate Connolly

Posted on 05/20/2022 7:32:01 AM PDT by JonPreston

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To: hanamizu

Human trafficking..
So. Transportation..

That’s the Democrat party way..

Money laundering and human trafficking 101


41 posted on 05/20/2022 7:56:44 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: alloysteel
“ Trying to apply it in wartime is a fool’s errand.”

No, it’s the perfect scheme. We pay and rebuild while the war is still going on, the Russians blow up what we’ve built which gives us reason to rebuild more, again. Infinite graft for the forever, never ending war. Perfect.
42 posted on 05/20/2022 7:58:05 AM PDT by The Louiswu (We couldn't 'afford' $4 billion for Trump's wall at the southern border?)
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To: JonPreston

When we did it most of Europe was a war wasteland. Let Europe help out Ukraine on this one.


43 posted on 05/20/2022 7:58:09 AM PDT by Jolla
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To: logi_cal869

Many here don’t support Putin, nor the invasion. I don’t. But I also don’t support Zelensky either, because of Soros’ ties to him, funding his rise to power, etc. I also don’t support Zelensky because of the WEF ties to him, all of the corruption in Ukraine still ongoing under Zelensky’s nose, Zelensky shutting down all opposition parties (painting them with a broad brush), shutting down all opposition media, effectively ending free speech and free elections. It’s a dictatorship there now under Zelensky.

So two dictatorships; So I support neither.

And so I primarily focus on Biden using Ukraine as a shiny object to deflect attention away from his abysmal record at home, how Dems are all-in on Ukraine, tje U.S. being 30 trillion in debt, we don’t protect our own borders, etc. And I also focus on how this is Europe’s problem, they can all together handle Russia, they’ve mooched off of the U.S. for too long, and Russia won’t attack a NATO member anyway.

But I get attacked anyway. I bet you will too.

And it will clearly be Biden supporters attacking you if they do or they will deflect to Putin! Putin! Putin! like a Maddow bot.

And no doubt the Emotional Appeals will be used.

Because they are libtards who attack us.

Democrats and libtards who have infiltrated FR. Sad. Real sad.


44 posted on 05/20/2022 8:00:09 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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Slavyangrad - Gleb Bazov
“ ‘The Lysichansk grouping of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is 20 thousand people.’

A soldier of the 16th battalion of the LPR’s territorial defense with the call sign “Ural” talks about the situation in the Lysichansk direction.

At the moment, the LPR army is pushing the enemy out of Toshkovka.

The military cannot confirm information about a counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in this area.

Ukraine is calling in reservists for the defense of these areas.

In total, the Lysichansk grouping is 20 thousand soldiers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

The Ukrainians, withdrawing from their positions, are abandoning a lot of equipment and 200s [military abbreviation for Killed in Action throughout the former-USSR. -GB].

15 200s of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were abandoned at positions in Toshkovka, soldiers of the LPR army are trying to bury them. After the cessation of hostilities, they must be exhumed and identified, Ural says.


45 posted on 05/20/2022 8:00:47 AM PDT by Cathi
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To: JonPreston

If we rebuild it, does that mean we rebuild all the corruption, too? Does that mean that we rebuild the gravy train that sends Hunter his payoffs, er, consulting fees?


46 posted on 05/20/2022 8:01:14 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (Wanting to make America great isn’t an insult unless you’re trying to make it worse! ULTRAMAGA!!)
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To: JonPreston

Rebuild Ukrainian bioweapons labs. Build Back Better (so the Russians have a harder time blowing them up AGAIN).

If Ukraine could just recover the billions stolen from the country by American politicians, Yelensky and other thieves who stole the treasure of the country, there should be plenty of money to rebuild Ukraine.


47 posted on 05/20/2022 8:02:41 AM PDT by Gnome1949
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To: JonPreston

1. The orginal Marshall Plan (a) was for all of western Europe, not a single country like Ukraine, thus the scale of the aid would be much less than what was needed for western Europe after WWII, and (b) Europe collectively matched the U.S. dollar for dollar.

2. The plan (a) cost the U.S. 2% of the 1948 U.S. GDP, not 5%, but was expensed out from 1948 to 191, and (b) that $13 billion in todays dollars would be $115 billion, which would be .005% of today’s U.S. GDP of 22 trillion.

3. Your complaint (a) overstates the cost of the original Marshall Plan then or now, (b) ignores it was matched by a deceimated Europe at the time, (c) presumes such a plan would cost for the single country of Ukraine the same as was the original plan for all of western Europe, (d) ignores how healthy western Europe is economically today, and (d) altogther assumes a burden for the U.S. that will likely by far far less than your presumptions.

4. I expect that any such plan is also going to include U.S.-EU joint demands on Russia for reparations as well.


48 posted on 05/20/2022 8:03:37 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: JonPreston

Mo' money, Mo' money, Mo' money!


49 posted on 05/20/2022 8:03:53 AM PDT by airborne (Thank you Rush for helping me find FreeRepublic! )
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To: JonPreston

Just image the amount of kink-backs that can be generated from this!!!!!!

You know it’s our job to rebuild it. How else can our corrupt politicians reap the end of the war windfalls.

Our federal government makes me heave buzzard puke


50 posted on 05/20/2022 8:04:13 AM PDT by RatRipper (The Biden Adm is leading an attack against US citizens . . . pure evil.)
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To: JonPreston
“but all of us should recognise that the only way for it to lead to a good place is for us to find our way to it together.”

Yes, "together" My precious. Yes, My precious. We must find our way--"together". Just as we fund the U.N., just as we open our borders, just as we stab our allies in their backs, My precious...

51 posted on 05/20/2022 8:05:20 AM PDT by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground - Mencken)
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To: logi_cal869

Lastly, try getting the usual suspects here to attack Biden, Soros, Klaus, etc. They won’t during discussions about the war. They’ll deflect back to attacking others calling them Putinistas, etc, because they use liberal Maddow style tactics because that’s their nature. Their actions define them.

They are liberals here doing this. They are Democrats and Biden supporters.


52 posted on 05/20/2022 8:05:50 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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To: RatRipper
You know it’s our job to rebuild it

If we don't who will?

53 posted on 05/20/2022 8:05:53 AM PDT by JonPreston (Q: Never have so many, been so wrong, so often)
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To: RatRipper

kinkbacks - I guess a Freaudian slip with Butgeek.


54 posted on 05/20/2022 8:06:18 AM PDT by RatRipper (The Biden Adm is leading an attack against US citizens . . . pure evil.)
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To: JonPreston
If we don't who will?

Germany, France, Switzerland, Italy, Poland,Finland, Sweden, et al. Our corrupt government has tapped us out. I can't believe we are gonna send them $40 billion. We need to rehab the golden goose in this country or the whole world will suffer. Americans cannot practice their generosity if they are penniless.

55 posted on 05/20/2022 8:14:26 AM PDT by RatRipper (The Biden Adm is leading an attack against US citizens . . . pure evil.)
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To: JonPreston

At some point, the lovers of most glorious Ukraine will have to admit they’ve been punked.


56 posted on 05/20/2022 8:15:19 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (“There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach,” said one woman.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
At some point, the lovers of most glorious Ukraine will have to admit they’ve been punked.

Not if Ukraine banks some of the 40 billion offshore to use to pay back American officials.

57 posted on 05/20/2022 8:16:39 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: bk1000

It wasn’t in all that great a shape before the shelling.


58 posted on 05/20/2022 8:17:35 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (“There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach,” said one woman.)
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To: Its All Over Except ...; All

Your post # 44 said it as well as I ever could!


59 posted on 05/20/2022 8:17:50 AM PDT by airborne (Thank you Rush for helping me find FreeRepublic! )
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To: PerConPat

Pete’s plan is to surprise his husband by dressing up as a US Marshall. The ten gallon hat would make Pete almost 5 feet tall!


60 posted on 05/20/2022 8:19:23 AM PDT by alstewartfan ("She looks like she's 19 years old, sitting there like a lady with her legs crossed." Creepy Joe)
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