As for the atrocities the first one is Russia invading Ukraine
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Wrong, the first were committed by Ukraine in 2015 when they started shelling the ethnic Russian eastern independent provinces. 22,000 deaths by Ukrainian Territorial Defense forces, many Azov units, have been reported and are on record with the UN.
Yeah, those Russians just had to invade Ukraine to avoid more bloodshed.. AKA ‘we have to destroy this town to save it’ mentality.
You can attempt to obfuscate your Soviet leanings all you want. You lived and worked in Moscow for years - I get it. But don’t waste your time pretending to be unbiased. You’re not.
Unlike you, my time in East Germany didn’t make me complacent about the Stasi or KGB, or my time in China regarding the WuJing.
“...shelling the ethnic Russian eastern independent provinces. 22,000 deaths...”
That is a complete and criminal lie and you know it. My family in the Donbas (Alchevsk) are Russian speakers which as I’ve told you before is far different than ethnic Russians. The often foreign “separatists” killed Ukrainians in the eastern areas. They were sent in a clandestine invasion by Putin. And you have the gall to blame Ukraine.
“22,000 deaths by Ukrainian Territorial Defense forces, many Azov units, have been reported and are on record with the UN.”
Damn, for two months — at least — you all have been claiming 14,000 deaths by Ukrainian nationalsists. Now, it’s up to 22,000? What, did they just find a mass grave containing 8,000 bodies? Enquiring minds want to know.
“Wrong, the first were committed by Ukraine in 2015 when they started shelling the ethnic Russian eastern independent provinces.”
Comrade Chekist, you and your boss Pidor Putin do not get to have this both ways.
If Donbas and Crimea are parts of Russia occupied by Russian forces...as Russia frequently claims they are...then the Ukrainians are then shelling Russian invaders and Russian citizens who are illegally occupying Ukrainian territory.
So far as I am concerned the Ukrainians after 2014 were holding back the thieving Russian forces who first pretended to be “Little Green Men” and then who pretended to be “Donbas Separatists”.
You say that the Ukrainians killed 22,000 of these gangsters?
Good. I hope they kill more of them and I wish the Ukrainian forces good hunting as they oust the murderers, thieves, and rapists from all of the land of the Ukrainians...including Crimea.