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To: nathanbedford

The major historical lesson, taught by Russia itself to Napoleon and Hitler, has not likely been forgotten. Putin is smart enough to know that it would apply to a westward invasion as well as it did to the eastward. They have already recovered their (historically) Crimean Peninsula, and the northwestern border area, populated primarily by Russians. What else does Ukraine have that’s worth “civilizational risk” to the Russians?


15 posted on 01/21/2022 8:06:45 AM PST by Michael44. (Brevity... ROCKS!)
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To: Michael44.
You are quite right, there is seemingly little for Vladimir Putin to gain from invasion and occupation of Western Ukraine. That is the agricultural portion and he already has the Russian-speaking industrial half. He talks as though he were a nineteenth century Russian czar whose national security depends on the vastness of Russia. In the space-age, in the cyberspace age these time/space computations mean less and less. Yet Putin continues to advance them.

Suppose Putin's client is not his own conception of Russian national security, or even public opinion at home but suppose his client is China. Why China? Because China is an enormous threat to Russia and therefore it is understandable that Putin wants to make an ally rather than an invader of China. China offers a huge market for Russian minerals and energy as well as technology trade-offs.

He might believe that China is the wave of the future. He might want to forestall China encroaching on Siberia with its population to simply absorbed Rushias mineral wealth. He might just hold a grudge against the West and especially against America- a little man's inferiority complex that puts a chip on his shoulder. Whatever the motivation, even if it is not in Putin's direct interest as we would calculate it on his behalf, as prudent planners we must assume the worst.


16 posted on 01/21/2022 8:34:13 AM PST by nathanbedford (Attack, repeat, attack! - Bull Halsey)
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To: Michael44.
We ought not to forget the Molotov/Ribbentrop pact of 1939 that precipitated world war II. British emissaries were on route to Moscow by slow boat when Ribbentrop flew in and Stalin concluded from Neville Chamberlain's record of appeasement that he simply could not rely on the West to defend either him or themselves against Hitler. So he cut the deal with Ribbentrop.

A new Russian dictator, Putin, may also have concluded that the West simply would not stand up to China and he had better pick a side while the picking was good.


17 posted on 01/21/2022 8:49:51 AM PST by nathanbedford (Attack, repeat, attack! - Bull Halsey)
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