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Russia threatens war unless US abandons eastern NATO allies
Washington Examiner ^ | December 17, 2021 | Joel Gehrke

Posted on 12/18/2021 5:40:44 AM PST by tlozo

That stark warning followed the release of a “draft treaty” proposal from Moscow that Russian officials portray as a resolution to the standoff, which has intensified as Russian forces amass near Ukraine's borders. Yet the Russian document demands not only that NATO promise never to admit Ukraine to the alliance, but it also goes so far as to demand the removal of U.S. and Western European forces from Central and Eastern Europe — a rollback that would amount to a practical breakup of NATO.

“It’s not even valid to consider it,” a Baltic official told the Washington Examiner on condition of anonymity. “If a country wants to leave NATO, then, of course, it’s a sovereign decision by any democratic country. ... It’s not a decision that’s up to Russia.”

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov urged U.S. officials “to regard the Russian proposals with the utmost seriousness” to mitigate the risk of violence... Putin describes the accession of countries such as Poland and Estonia as a security threat and a violation of a decades-old promise not to expand NATO. Such a promise was never made, according to Western officials and former Soviet Union President Mikhail Gorbachev, and NATO leaders counter in any case that countries join the organization in search of protection against a possible Russian invasion... The latest Russian proposal calls for a withdrawal of U.S. and Western European military forces from several NATO member-states...

That date, which marked the signing of the NATO-Russia Founding Act, predates two rounds of NATO expansion. Thus, the new Russian proposal would deprive 10 countries that joined NATO after gaining independence from the fallen Soviet Union of allied military presence.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: albania; bulgaria; croatia; czechrepublic; erdogan; estonia; europeanunion; france; germany; hungary; kurdistan; latvia; lithuania; montenegro; nato; northmacedonia; poland; putin; receptayyiperdogan; romania; russia; slovakia; slovenia; turkey; ukraine; unitedkingdom; vladtheimploder
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Putin is demanding NATO withdrawal from Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Albania, Croatia, Montenegro and North Macedonia.
1 posted on 12/18/2021 5:40:44 AM PST by tlozo
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To: tlozo

Don’t be surprised when the Chinese make similar demands of our forces in the Pacific.


2 posted on 12/18/2021 5:43:05 AM PST by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: tlozo

Russia realizes what we all know.
The only people afraid of Biden-Harris is the GOP-e


3 posted on 12/18/2021 5:44:02 AM PST by Zathras
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To: tlozo

>>Putin is demanding NATO withdrawal from Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Albania, Croatia, Montenegro and North Macedonia.<<

Precursor to WWIII?


4 posted on 12/18/2021 5:45:05 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: tlozo

It sounds like the negotiations that the Japanese were making before they attacked Pearl Harbor.


5 posted on 12/18/2021 5:46:14 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: servantboy777

Best case scenario: Peaceful breakup of the USA (as happened to the USSR in 1991). Worst case: More like Yugoslavia.


6 posted on 12/18/2021 5:50:06 AM PST by Salman (It's not a "slippery slope" if it was part of the program all along. )
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To: Petrosius

And this time the aggressors will be Russia, China and possibly North Korea seeing an opportunity to take South Korea. Iran will most likely attack Israel so the Middle East will explode too.


7 posted on 12/18/2021 5:50:19 AM PST by ssapro (SSAPRO/ EXBP)
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To: Petrosius

Something tells me it’s the Russian peoples mentality that buys into Putin even though they know he’s a thug. Perhaps a thug is the only kind that can rule.


8 posted on 12/18/2021 5:50:23 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Thunder90

Yep


9 posted on 12/18/2021 5:50:29 AM PST by SaveFerris (The Lord, The Christ and The Messiah: Jesus Christ of Nazareth - http://www.BiblicalJesusChrist.Com/)
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To: tlozo

Kill Russia once and for all.


10 posted on 12/18/2021 5:51:18 AM PST by rrrod (6)
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To: ssapro

(Iran will most likely attack Israel)

Yes, it’s beyond obvious that the mullahs will make Ezekiel 38 happen.

But they won’t listen. Oh well...


11 posted on 12/18/2021 5:52:27 AM PST by SaveFerris (The Lord, The Christ and The Messiah: Jesus Christ of Nazareth - http://www.BiblicalJesusChrist.Com/)
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To: rrrod

“Kill Russia once and for all.”

The problem is that if Russia collapses it’s not to our benefit. Russia’s vast east is empty and getting emptier, and just to the south there are a billion Chinese who would love that living space and its resources.


12 posted on 12/18/2021 6:01:00 AM PST by Renfrew
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To: tlozo

> Putin is demanding NATO withdrawal from Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic... <

This is most probably just a standard negotiating tactic. Putin is asking for the moon. But he just wants a free hand in the Ukraine. Sort of like suing a company for a million dollars, and then settling for $50,000 - which is all you wanted in the first place.


13 posted on 12/18/2021 6:02:00 AM PST by Leaning Right (TThe steal is real.)
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To: ssapro

Ezekiel 38 War. The Rapture is imminent.


14 posted on 12/18/2021 6:07:16 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: SaveFerris

You can almost hear the footsteps of the Messiah. Maranatha.


15 posted on 12/18/2021 6:08:41 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: SVTCobra03; Roman_War_Criminal; FES0844

Amen.

Seems events are accelerating. More trouble with Iran should be come down the pike. As prophesied. Not hoping for that; just saying it’s coming

Keep those prayers coming and look up!

Luke 21:34-36
King James Version

34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2021%3A34-36&version=KJV

✝️✝️✝️🙏🙏🙏🛐🛐🛐🛐


16 posted on 12/18/2021 6:13:43 AM PST by SaveFerris (The Lord, The Christ and The Messiah: Jesus Christ of Nazareth - http://www.BiblicalJesusChrist.Com/)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

In many ways, life was better for them under the Soviet Union. They are having a tough time making capitalism work; and, got no help there from the West.


17 posted on 12/18/2021 6:32:08 AM PST by GingisK
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To: rrrod

Kill Russia once and for all.

Liz Cheney, is that you?


18 posted on 12/18/2021 6:41:27 AM PST by Flick Lives
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To: tlozo

OK Joe. Show those Commies how tough you are. What? You’re on an ice cream break and won’t be done until February? Well, OK we will just wait.


19 posted on 12/18/2021 6:41:46 AM PST by antidemoncrat (somRead more at: https://economicti Astronomers see white dwarf 'switch on and off' for first time)
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To: tlozo

Didn’t Biden already do that ? LOL


20 posted on 12/18/2021 6:46:34 AM PST by butlerweave
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