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German election 2021: Polls open in race to succeed Angela Merkel — live updates
dw.com ^ | September 26, 2021 | DW Staff

Posted on 09/26/2021 12:02:06 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

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To: Berlin_Freeper

Yes, and if I were not a Christian, I would say: a pox upon her and what she did to the country!


21 posted on 09/26/2021 11:51:40 PM PDT by Menes
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Thanks - I did not at all mean to imply that there was any malicious intent or bad faith on the US side. Made perfect sense at the time, and larger matters were at stake.

And, later, Germany made the unforced error of moving away from the 2-3 year (or whatever it was initially) rotation principle and also allowed the workers’ families to follow. And that was that...


22 posted on 09/27/2021 1:40:13 AM PDT by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building.)
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Oh, thank you :-)

Neither did I, since there was an enduring demand for cheap labor in West Germany, and the Kennedy administration needed to prop up the economy of a strategically important Nato member. So much is certain :-)

I just believe that, in 1961, neither of the two realized what problems would follow. After all, such a migration into Europe was, from the historical point of wiev, totally unprecedented.

Yes, and the rotation system...it had its critics on humanitarian grounds, as well as economic ones, since entrepreneurs always had to train their new employees, whenever a new one came along after the older one had returned to Turkey.

And family reunification was, iirc, enabled after the rotation principle had been abandoned - mainly on humanitarian grounds.

Still, I believe the largest part of the problem was due to naiveté, as well as sheer inexperience with the situation, on the part of the powers that be. I, for my part, do not so much believe in anybody’s ill will.

But, as Scottish poet laureate Robert Burns said it so succinctly: “The best-laid Schemes o’ Mice and Men gang aft agley” ;-)


23 posted on 09/27/2021 7:13:26 AM PDT by Menes
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You summed it up perfectly. Nothing to add to that. Thank you.


24 posted on 09/28/2021 1:06:12 AM PDT by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building.)
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Thanks to you, too. My pleasure :-)


25 posted on 09/28/2021 7:17:19 AM PDT by Menes
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I went to prep school in the sixties and college in the early seventies, and there was an anti-white anti-western civilization bias in elite institutions even in those days.

That suggests that the elites knew _exactly_ what they were doing, and it was intentional and not naive.

They wanted an obedient mass public, and increasing the percentage of third world citizens was one of the approaches they decided to use to make it happen—in the US, Canada, Europe and Australia.


26 posted on 09/28/2021 7:22:41 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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A.k.a. the Kalergi Plan... (wikipedia calls it a “far right conspiracy theory” but it is too well documented elsewhere for that to fly).


27 posted on 09/28/2021 9:45:46 AM PDT by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building.)
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Oh yes, of course :-(

I really hadn’t been aware that anti-Western, anti-white bias existed within institutes of education as early as the years around 1970. In West Germany, maybe yes (I cannot clearly say it, since I had just been born) - but in the USA? :-0

I just had been momentarily unaware of it - but now, I fear that I can see clearly, how all the little steps are combining into a united whole, forming one single, enormously dreadful, mosaic.


28 posted on 09/28/2021 9:53:45 AM PDT by Menes
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I really hadn’t been aware that anti-Western, anti-white bias existed within institutes of education as early as the years around 1970. In West Germany, maybe yes

No, most certainly not in W. Germany back then. In fact there was something called the Radikalenerlass which barred radical leftists from becoming public servants, especially teachers.

29 posted on 09/29/2021 4:11:14 AM PDT by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building.)
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That is true, but it was much less than what would have been needed to stem the Red Onslaught, I’m afraid.

Furthermore, a few of those leftists applied for jobs within private schools, and got them. After all, the legislation only applied to jobs in the public sector.


30 posted on 09/29/2021 7:21:09 AM PDT by Menes
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