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Liz Cheney’s Trump vote prompts new Wyoming censure effort
Associated Press ^ | August 10, 2021

Posted on 08/11/2021 2:39:15 PM PDT by Olog-hai

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To: TwelveOfTwenty
Vice President Bush was a good Vice President and a fairly good president even with his faults.
To reach all the way from Reagan to Liz Cheney and blame Reagan for Liz Cheney....that is ridiculous.
Not to mention most Freepers did not even have much of a problem with Liz Cheney when she first run for Congress.
21 posted on 08/12/2021 7:50:05 AM PDT by SmokingJoe ( )
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
Haven't you ever heard that politics makes for strange bedfellows?

Why Nancy Reagan Hated the Bushes

Nancy Reagan’s obvious displeasure with the Bush family began when her husband was almost assassinated by a Bush family friend. She had been heard stating “I never want to see the Bush’s again” by White House staff. In 1981, a family friend of the Bush’s was accused of an assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan.

It is theorized, the Reagan’s did not want H.W. Bush as a running mate during the 1980 presidential campaign as a result. Unfortunately for Reagan, Pennsylvania Senator Richard Schweiker did not win the nomination for VP that year (1976) and Reagan was forced to work with a family he believed to be his enemies.

Schweiker was part of a select committee specializing in investigating intelligence activities, including the assassination of John F. Kennedy. As the Vice President, Schweiker would have been a nightmare for the Bush’s in regards to the attempt on Reagan’s life.

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It appears nothing went the Reagan’s way during the 1980 election. The Bush campaign saw to it that Reagan’s choices for VP came down to his two biggest enemies, Ford and H.W. Bush. President Reagan did not believe in the kind of politics that these men used and found the means of their rises to power within the government questionable due to their financial affiliations. It was a mutual distaste for one another that lead to the bad blood between them.

Ford was rejected because the Reagans discovered that Ford planned to govern the country as a “co-president” … Neither was Bush wanted for the ticket because of his attacks on Reagan during the primaries, including the charge that Reagan’s economic policies were “voodoo economics.”… Although Schweiker was a moderate-to-liberal Republican, Reagan not only liked him but felt he would bring reasonable valance (I think this word was meant to be: BALANCE) to the ticket.

Reagan despised people like Bush and other East Coast Republicans who were in the political orbit of Ford’s vice president and former New York governor Nelson Rockefeller. Although Rockefeller died in 1979, his influence in the GOP was still felt through Republicans like Bush, Ford, and Kissinger. Reagan felt the East Coast “establishment” Republicans took their orders from the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations.

22 posted on 08/12/2021 8:40:12 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: SmokingJoe
Yep, I said the same thing. Blaming Reagan putting George H.W. Bush on the ticket in 1980 for Liz Cheney getting elected to Congress in 2016 is flat out ridiculous.

IMO, the self-appointed "Tea Party" leaders and national conservative pundits cheering on her carpetbagging from Virginia to Wyoming bear the brunt of the blame. I don't know if Mark Levin ever apologized for pimping her candidacy and telling us what a solid conservative "fighter" she would be.

Also, given the FACT that Dick Cheney had been Wyoming's only congressman for a decade, and rose to become the GOP Whip and also served as White House Chief of Staff, its entirely possible Princess Liz could have gotten elected to Congress in 2016 on daddy's famous name without Reagan OR either Bush ever becoming President. As I noted, Dick Cheney rose thru the ranks to become a powerful Washington insider during the Nixon & Ford eras.

23 posted on 08/12/2021 10:00:29 AM PDT by BillyBoy ("States rights" is NOT a suicide pact.)
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To: BillyBoy

It’s not my logic.
I ask the question rather tongue and cheek.. thinking the answer was actually going to be amnesty for illegals.


24 posted on 08/12/2021 10:16:24 AM PDT by Leep (Save America. Lock down Joe Biden!)
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To: Leep

My response was aimed at TwelveOfTwenty. He claimed Reagan appointing George H.W. Bush in 1980 somehow resulted in Liz Cheney getting elected to Congress in 2016. That’s a real stretch, as I and others pointed out.


25 posted on 08/12/2021 12:16:50 PM PDT by BillyBoy ("States rights" is NOT a suicide pact.)
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To: SmokingJoe
Not to mention most Freepers did not even have much of a problem with Liz Cheney when she first run for Congress.

Most people didn't have a problem with their ex-wives when they first met them, either...

26 posted on 08/12/2021 12:20:36 PM PDT by Magnatron
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To: Magnatron

Well, I was anti-Liz Cheney BEFORE it was cool.


27 posted on 08/12/2021 1:23:22 PM PDT by BillyBoy ("States rights" is NOT a suicide pact.)
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To: BillyBoy
I see your point, but that isn't even a valid parallel. First, Keyes opposed Obama, he didn't support him or nominate him.

And second, Obama would have won regardless of who opposed him. Keyes was the sacrificial lamb. Keyes didn't give us Obama, because Obama would have won no matter who ran.

28 posted on 08/12/2021 2:08:05 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Will whoever keeps asking if this country can get any more insane please stop?)
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To: Olog-hai
Please explain how Reagan could have avoided that and the deep state of back then acceding to his nomination.

By choosing a more Conservative running mate, although I understand the decision was made to appeal to more voters. This is what happens when you compromise.

I also understand that hindsight is 20/20. But I'm not blaming Reagan anyway, that's more of an expression with my disappointment with the Bushes, which many here share.

Also explain the link to the Cheneys.

The link is Bush Sr. paved the way for Bush Jr, who nominated Dick Cheney. Cheney's daughter had his name recognition to run on.

29 posted on 08/12/2021 2:08:08 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Will whoever keeps asking if this country can get any more insane please stop?)
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To: SmokingJoe
As I said in another reply, hindsight is 20/20.

As I also said, that is more an expression of my disappointment with the Bushes, rather than blaming Reagan. I'm not the only one here who feels that way, am I?

30 posted on 08/12/2021 2:08:12 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Will whoever keeps asking if this country can get any more insane please stop?)
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To: BillyBoy; TwelveOfTwenty; Leep; AuH2ORepublican; campaignPete R-CT; fieldmarshaldj; ...

Well not so fast, I think it’s a very reasonable conjecture, if Dick wasn’t VP (the most powerful ever to boot) she’d have just been a Former Congressman and SecDef’s daughter.

I’d say her chances of getting elected (or even trying) would have been significantly reduced, not eliminated but significantly reduced. She went from being just another Congressional scion to quasi-royalty because he was VP.

And it’s quite unlikely anyone but Jr. Bush would have made Dick VP.

Butterfly effect is real. Bush Sr. as VP was a disaster that still has consequences. You know he hardly seemed like someone who would have been a frontrunning POTUS candidate in 1980, if he hadn’t been anointed in a backroom that is.

As for Obama, incumbent Senator Peter Fitzgerald or original nominee Jack Ryan would have a chance to beat him, (as would have Coach Mike Ditka) which is why they were removed from the equation.

As for Kamala, she’s the fault of CA Republicans who declined to use their votes to elect the aging Loretta Sanchez to the Senate instead of her. They were warned by me and others that a light-skinned black woman with a prosecutorial background was a lock to run nationally. They also failed to elect the reform democrat over the teacher’s union whore to be State Education Superintendent. Even with 2 bad choices you can and should decide which one is least bad.

Not to say sometimes you might be wrong, I never would have voted for pop tax bitch Prickwankle for Chi Mayor but it’s hard to imagine someone doing a worse job than our little Napoleon complex dyke. If she were German, had testes, and was born in the late 1800s/early 1900s she’d have been an excellent high-ranking SS officer.


31 posted on 08/12/2021 9:49:18 PM PDT by Impy ("We didn't steal the election, we swear!!!" - Sincerely, The Election Thieves )
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To: Impy; BillyBoy; LS; KC_Lion; NFHale; fieldmarshaldj

Prose worthy of its own commemorative plate, Impy!

And I told some of you >>>YEARS<<< ago that Barrett SUCKED. The signs were clearly there, but the POTUS played the quota game and we all lost:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/supreme-court-won-e2-80-99t-block-indiana-university-vaccine-mandate-as-justice-barrett-rejects-student-plea/ar-AANg9rj?ocid=uxbndlbing


32 posted on 08/12/2021 11:51:40 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: Impy
>> Well not so fast, I think it’s a very reasonable conjecture, if Dick wasn’t VP (the most powerful ever to boot) she’d have just been a Former Congressman and SecDef’s daughter. I’d say her chances of getting elected (or even trying) would have been significantly reduced, not eliminated but significantly reduced <<

Why? Congressmen's kids ROUTINELY get their dad's old seat and EASILY clear the field simply because of their last name. Dozens of examples can be cited, from Darin LaHood, to Duncan D. Hunter, to Patrick Kennedy III to Bill Shuster, to Lisa Murkowski, to John Dingell Jr. (Granted, its more common for women to get a Congressional seat by being the widow of the former Congressman, rather than the daughter)

Nancy Pelosi herself doesn't even have the same last name, but got into Congress because she is the daughter of former Congressman Thomas D'Alesandro Jr.

If Princess Liz had "merely" been the daughter of Wyoming's sole representative in Washington D.C. for a decade, she would have been in an excellent place to win the seat just like she did as a veep's daughter, making it thru a crowded primary simply on name ID.

If anything, I suppose you could make a case she wouldn't have been fast-tracked to House Conference Chair so quickly if she hadn't been the daughter of a veep.

33 posted on 08/13/2021 7:36:09 AM PDT by BillyBoy ("States rights" is NOT a suicide pact.)
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To: BillyBoy
Why? Congressmen's kids ROUTINELY get their dad's old seat and EASILY clear the field simply because of their last name.

What did most people know about Dick Cheney before Bush nominated him?

Nancy Pelosi herself doesn't even have the same last name, but got into Congress because she is the daughter of former Congressman Thomas D'Alesandro Jr.

She got into Congress because the blue voters bought into her views. If she had been a conservative they would have chased her out of San Fran.

If anything, I suppose you could make a case she wouldn't have been fast-tracked to House Conference Chair so quickly if she hadn't been the daughter of a veep.

You could also make the case that it might have been the difference.

34 posted on 08/13/2021 4:17:22 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Will whoever keeps asking if this country can get any more insane please stop?)
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To: BillyBoy

In the 1970’s, George H.W. Bush was best known for being a congressman, amb. to the UN, and RNC chairman.


35 posted on 08/13/2021 6:05:22 PM PDT by PhilCollins
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To: BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj

I don’t think any of their fathers left the state for decades prior to their election. And they don’t all win, Porter Goss’ son (I think, come to mind).

If hadn’t been VP and stayed in Texas Dick Cheney and his name probably would have been old news in Wyoming, she may have not even had the notion to run there.

She should have run in VA, where she actually spent (and still spends) her adult life.


36 posted on 08/13/2021 11:43:44 PM PDT by Impy ("We didn't steal the election, we swear!!!" - Sincerely, The Election Thieves )
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