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HERE's THE REAL REASON AND IT HAS TO DO WITH BUSINESS:

Toyota has run the numbers and doesn’t think the power grids are ready to handle electrifying billions of cars. Elon Musk, the world’s most prolific EV maker, issued the same warning: We’re going to need a lot more electric power generation before we can go electric with our cars and trucks.


1 posted on 07/28/2021 8:33:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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The answer is obvious and controversial: more natural gas and more nuclear power. But if you just listen to the likes of AOC and her cohorts, you may be inclined to think windmills and solar panels are the answer. They’re not.

China is fast cornering the market on rare earth metals and lithium, two major ingredients in so-called renewable energy. That’s a security issue, among others. And neither wind nor solar is ready to power billions of cars a few years from now. Not even close.


2 posted on 07/28/2021 8:35:25 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Ping.


3 posted on 07/28/2021 8:38:10 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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Who needs to run the numbers, brown outs are occurring now.

And on another happy note, Gov. Brown(C) OR, gleefully signed into law more restrictions on electrical production.


4 posted on 07/28/2021 8:42:44 AM PDT by Cold Heart
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Toyota being rational.

Heck, if an average guy like me can see this, any car manufacturer that can’t deserves to fail.


5 posted on 07/28/2021 8:42:51 AM PDT by brownsfan (Term limits! Without term limits, we are doomed.)
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Agreed. It seems crazy to me that a company like GM seems to be going “all in” with EVs. The whole thing still isn’t ready for prime time.

1. Infrastructure isn’t there. The grid in California, for example, can barely handle air-conditioning spikes in the summer. Adding 8 million EVs into that mix over the next decade is a good idea? Seriously? If you think that pencils out, you’re likely sampling some of of CA’s recreational cannabis.

2. Range just isn’t there. I fairly regularly drive my gasoline-powered cars ~600 miles with one 5-minute gas (and restroom) break. Good luck doing that with an EV anytime soon. I have friends who have done the Bay Area-to-Southern California ~450-mile run in EVs and they describe lengthy, multi-hour breaks for recharging on I-5 or US-101. Fun.


6 posted on 07/28/2021 8:43:53 AM PDT by irishjuggler
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Do whatever you want. I’m buying a giant V8 to drive for the rest of my life


7 posted on 07/28/2021 8:45:31 AM PDT by NWFree (Somebody has to say it)
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Definitely. The power grids cannot handle the projected load. There are not enough power stations. There is not enough power.

And when they eliminate oil/coal/natural gas for generating electricity, and go to solar and wind power, there will be much less power available. It will be a disaster!


8 posted on 07/28/2021 8:46:12 AM PDT by I want the USA back (To find out who really rules you, find out who you're not allowed to criticize. Voltaire. )
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If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil.

If you compromise with stupidity, you just get more stupid....................


10 posted on 07/28/2021 8:48:11 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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Think of each EV has having a miniature coal fired power plant on board.
12 posted on 07/28/2021 8:50:40 AM PDT by AU72
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You know what is really hard to find? A household with ONLY electric cars. EV owners know better than to try that.


14 posted on 07/28/2021 8:56:19 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods ( comment might be sarcasm, or not. It depends. Often I'm not sure either.)
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Toyota has announced that they will not make any further campaign contributions to any American politician who publicly questions the validity of the 2020 US presidential election.

So regardless whether it’s powered by electrons or dead dinosaurs, every penny you spend on a Toyota automobile is a contribution to the demoncrat party.


19 posted on 07/28/2021 9:13:58 AM PDT by Paal Gulli
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Don’t you think that’s the plan? IF you can get a charge - you can still only travel a couple hundred miles(as long as you go slow).

Mobility gives you too much freedom. Your only option will be the rails, airlines or bus, but you won’t be able to use those options unless your papers are in order.


20 posted on 07/28/2021 9:22:25 AM PDT by CTyank
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Toyota is now the #2 auto maker in the world.

They are positioning to become #1.


23 posted on 07/28/2021 9:33:46 AM PDT by seowulf (Civilization begins with order, grows with liberty, and dies with chaos...Will Durant)
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Lets not forget that Toyota has targeted our representative who sided with Trump after the election. I don’t love them at all unlike so many people here who could care less.


25 posted on 07/28/2021 9:43:36 AM PDT by Revel
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EVs have a niche market in the cities.

A commuter car, or self-driving taxi.

Nobody else wants one.

It’s been a giant BS story for 10 years.

Take away government subsidy and they all fail overnight.

Also, plug in a million of them in LA county to charge overnight, and the lights will go out.

Four hours to “gas up”?

Not to mention the amazing power and efficiencies achieved by conventional engine technology.

Those are what we call “fundamentals”.


26 posted on 07/28/2021 10:13:36 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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Pity that liberals/libertarians/RATs are so deliberately obtuse. Issues like narcotics, open borders and the environment underscore how stupid they all are.

And they don't have sense enough to actually see that their positions simply don't work.

30 posted on 07/28/2021 11:08:15 AM PDT by LouAvul (Lying headlines from fake news articles written by pimps masquerading as journalists.)
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Even tesla is shying away from EV and moving to fuel cells. Not because of the grid but because EV has hit a wall on reliability, range, materials and safety. They just are not practical in general terms.


31 posted on 07/28/2021 11:31:07 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Politicians are only marginally good at one thing, being politicians. Otherwise they are fools.)
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Not mentioned here are the repeated EV battery fires now a chronic danger. They are even warning people not to park their EV’s in their garages. Fire departments can’t seem to put out these serious fires which can consume the vehicle and the entire house in which the vehicles are parked.

It’s not just the charging of millions of cars that is a major nightmare. There will have to be a major supply of manufactured spare batteries to quickly replace all of the dead ones that will make the vehicles useless until replaced. Today’s gasoline vehicles have batteries that can be removed and replaced by drivers who can take the dead one to the store to swap for a new one.

Nobody will be able to remove and replace the huge batteries needed to power an EV. Right now, auto manufacturers can only make batteries on a limited scale to outfit their own new EV’s. There are no universal replacement batteries available for sale to fit all the different EV’s. It’s not like being able to walk up to the kiosk at Walmart and pick up a package of AA or AAA batteries.

People will abandon their EV’s in traffic when batteries fail. When faced with immediate battery replacement at HUGE cost, many people will abandon their vehicles completely where they die.

Think of the future demand for heavy-lift vehicles needed to replace these really heavy batteries and the nightmare of battery disposal issues.

Short range of EV driving is not a painful flaw. It is a FEATURE of government’s desire to restrict our mobility and freedom to travel.


37 posted on 07/29/2021 2:52:34 AM PDT by Gnome1949
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The lefties don’t care about enough electricity. Their goal is to limit travel. Period.

The only ones who will be allowed to travel is them. They will have private jets and vehicles to go anywhere they want to go. They want to control when and where we go and we will need permission.

So all this talk about not enough electricity will only lead to the rationing of electricity - which is what they really want.


38 posted on 07/29/2021 3:51:14 AM PDT by Baldwin77 (The 2020 election was stolen from MY President Trump)
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From across The Pond, but the case here as well...

Britain faces BLACKOUTS due to electric car revolution: Fears National Grid won't cope if drivers charge their vehicles at 'on peak' times during day

39 posted on 07/29/2021 3:53:45 AM PDT by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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