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Why Nation-States Will Die-Off in the Information Age
The Daily Bell ^ | June 6,2021 | Joe Jarvis

Posted on 06/07/2021 8:44:20 AM PDT by Wish2Post

When was the fall of the Roman Empire? Was it in 410 when the Visigoths sacked Rome, or 455 when the Vandals plundered Rome? Or was it 476, when the last western Roman Emperor was deposed?

Whatever the answer, the people alive on the ground at the time surely did not wake up to a headline saying: “Rome has fallen, commence medieval barbarianism.”

Only later did historians pinpoint certain dates.

It’s possible, therefore, that we are already past the date that will be considered the fall of the American Empire.

Perhaps historians will look back and say that September 11, 2001 marks the sacking of the American Empire. Not because the Twin Towers fell, but because that’s the day rule of law and due process came crashing down as well.

History may shed more light on the silent coup that occurred behind the scenes, which shifted the US governing structure to a relative dictatorship.

Yes, just like in Rome, the appearances carried on. The Senate still passed bills, and the courts still nominally gave fair trials. But the great erosion hit a turning point. From there on out, due process was not required to assassinate enemies of the US, to spy on “potential terrorists”, and even to confiscate property using civil asset forfeiture.

Or perhaps the CIA already took over as dictators in 1963 with the assassination of the last truly elected US President, John F. Kennedy.

Maybe the fall of the American Empire will be seen in terms of the destruction of the US dollar. The 1913 creation of the Federal Reserve, the 1933 debasement of the gold backed currency, and the 1971 total removal of the gold standard from the US dollar are all part of slow downfall.

These are the events which allowed the barbarians who invaded the US government to loot the treasury culminating in this, perhaps final stage of vast money printing.

It may be more obvious, in hindsight, that the US government is currently only a shell, serving as a vehicle for barbarians to loot the corpse of a once great empire.

Some people think that the American Empire will simply be replaced by the next globally dominant superpower. And of course there are concerns that China is next in line to dominate the globe, as I discuss in another video on how China used Covid to play Western civilization.

But more likely is the death of all nation states, as we transition out of the industrial age, and into the information age.

I’m going to explain what I mean, but first a quick note– one short video will never do these concepts justice. So if you’re interested in this subject please subscribe and hit the notification bell. That way you will receive a slow drip of content like this that will help you transition smoothly into this new age, at this really exciting time to be alive.

Back to the point– let me explain why the industrial age was characterized by large nation states.

See, the nation state is more than just a country or a government– those have existed for thousands of years. The nation state aims to bind massive numbers of people in a territory together with myths of common cause, culture, and patriotism. This allows a single government to extract much more revenue and build much bigger armies. And this large scale government rose with the industrial era, because countries required large scale armies to defend the industrial production in a given area.

The scale provided by nation states allowed industry to invest and grow in areas that were relatively safe from plunder and destruction by barbarians or rival countries. Since a factory can’t so easily pick up and move, it needs a stable environment and protection in order to make the large capital investment worth the risk. Therefore, powerful nation states attracted more industry, and thus became richer in the process. Less stable regions, with smaller governments unable to protect their capital did not become as wealthy.

But that situation is rapidly changing as wealth becomes less about material production, and more about information technology, and human capital. These things are extremely mobile, and not very susceptible to plunder. They therefore do NOT require a massive nation states to justify investments.

And for this reason, we are witnessing, in real time, the fall of the nation state. But again, when you are so close to such a major global shift, it’s hard to pinpoint exactly what is happening.

The end of the industrial age won’t be obvious, and only in the future will historians look back and try to pinpoint a day or year that the world transitioned into the age of information.

One great candidate for the fall of the nation state would be November 9, 1989 with the fall of the Berlin Wall. This heralded the demise of the Soviet Union– a massive nation state which tried to bind citizens of various countries and culture together under patriotism for the socialist cause.

1989 is also a great year to mark the end of the industrial era because it is the year that the World Wide Web was invented, marking the beginning of all the massive changes that would come to the world through the internet, and mass communication.

Also 1989 was the year I was born, so I like to think of myself as yet another herald for the glorious death of the nation state.

We have been in the industrial era since the end of the feudal age. If we want to pick a nice clean date, we might pinpoint 1492 as the major shift, with Columbus’ exploration being an early sign of nation states competing for industrial capital.

As the Renaissance bloomed the power of the Catholic Church faded, and a new myth was required to bind the people to their governments.

The nation-state replaced feudal chivalry with nationalist citizenship. Knights, inspired by chivalry, loyal to their Lords were replaced by soldiers, inspired by patriotism, loyal to mother nation.

But now those myths hold less and less power. People, companies, and capital are more mobile than ever, and frequently shop around for the best jurisdictions in which to live, work, and run a business.

Smaller countries and city-states are actually better positioned than nation states to take advantage of this– without the need for massive military and government spending, they can offer government services as a product, based on the actual cost.

There are already a number of signs of the transition to government as a service provider, such as Caribbean nations selling citizenship through investment, Estonia selling e-citizenship, places like the country Georgia, Panama, Portugal and so many others offering competitive tax rates to attract residents and business.

Of course it may seem like these small nations will be threatened by massive governments with huge armies that could take over, sort of like what has happened with China and Hong Kong. And this is still a threat. The dying nation state will not go out without a fight. They will fight to preserve their power in a changing world. They’ll exploit crises like pandemics and terrorism to make it seem like we still need the nation state.

But these efforts will inevitably fail, because nation states can no longer grow rich through conquest and plunder.

It’s easy to move vast wealth when it is all in information technology, and the human mind, capable of working from anywhere in the world, connected via the internet. The need for large governments and armies to protect the capital is fading, because the ability of large governments and armies to take the capital is fading.

And competition among a hopefully growing number of countries will make it so that no government can charge more than a market rate for their services.

No more paying 50% of your income to receive some basic subpar services– the price will be based on product, with plenty of jurisdictions offering a la carte government services.

New models of governance will mean government is no longer characterized by involuntary monopolization on land and force.

Instead we will see, Free Private Cities where you sign a contract with the government, virtual governments which behave similar to insurance companies, distributed governments which do not require their citizens to all be located in the same geographic area, and so much more innovation in how societies will be governed.

That said plenty of people will be left behind by these great new forms of government, because they simply will refuse to believe that Rome has collapsed. Shells of nation-states will remain, offering the worst conditions for the price. But even these may be forced to adapt if only to compete with the new much better forms of governance.

This doesn’t mean you can simply ignore the dying nation-states– they may be more dangerous than ever at this stage. They have the capacity for violence, without much restraint.

This does pose a bit of a balancing act for the sovereign individual.

We have to at the same time make sure we do not become targets of the dying nation state’s wrath, without letting its rules hold us back from participating in the dawning of a new age.

There are still enough legal avenues to participate in the new era of humanity that we don’t have to poke the nation-state and risk our own lives and freedom.

Pay as little taxes as legally possibly, find the best jurisdiction, and diversify so you can safely weather the storm.We’re living in extremely interesting times, with the promise of individual freedom never before afforded to individuals.

Again this is a huge subject so definitely subscribe, hit the bell so you’re notified, and join my email list in case YouTube deletes me in it’s attempts to keep the nation state on life support for a little longer.

Also you might consider reading the book, The Sovereign Individual: Mastering the Transition to the Information Age, (Amazon affiliate link) on which most of this video was based. It’s really fascinating one because it’s about 20 years old and has already accurately predicted a lot, and two because it goes into a deep dive on all this information to help us understand and better navigate this changing world.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: informationage; nationstate
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Very provocative insight into the consequence of our transitioning from an industrial age-based world to an information age-based world.

A couple of instructive videos and a book on the topic are referenced. https://youtu.be/FyY_oJKs6Ls https://youtu.be/lkbcT6Mr1NY https://amzn.to/3hxIJO3

1 posted on 06/07/2021 8:44:20 AM PDT by Wish2Post
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To: Wish2Post

If the author had used ‘fall of the American Republic” it would have been more apt.


2 posted on 06/07/2021 8:48:01 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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To: Wish2Post

Usurpation Day, January 20, 2009 when ALL of our elected AND appointed refused to uphold the Constitution and swore in the ineligible Kenyan from Indonesia.


3 posted on 06/07/2021 8:48:07 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents)(Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Wish2Post
>>Or perhaps the CIA already took over as dictators in 1963 with the assassination of the last truly elected US President, John F. Kennedy.

False

4 posted on 06/07/2021 8:48:18 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Lean on Joe Biden to follow Donald Trump's example and donate his annual salary to charity.)
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To: Wish2Post

>>as we transition out of the industrial age, and into the information age.

The industrial age will not end as long as production of raw materials into products are needed and consumed. And that includes processing of food (animal, vegetable, and chemical).


5 posted on 06/07/2021 8:50:50 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Lean on Joe Biden to follow Donald Trump's example and donate his annual salary to charity.)
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To: Wish2Post

When I was studying International Relations a couple decades ago, some paradigms were talking the end of the nation state system. Did not happen. Seemingly, some are still talking and projecting the nonsense.


6 posted on 06/07/2021 8:52:06 AM PDT by cranked
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To: Wish2Post

Information does not change culture, religion, legal expectations, or leadership power.

Nations do not exist because information was not available, and information cannot and will not change the above expectations.


7 posted on 06/07/2021 8:54:09 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm up! They Have!)
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To: Wish2Post

Nation-states....... BS

America has been killed by the left wing and seriously Africanized city States. The tyranny of the city states is now complete and will probably continue until there is a war of revolution


8 posted on 06/07/2021 8:54:26 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Like BLM, Joe Biden is a Domestic Enemy )
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To: a fool in paradise

You noticed it too.


9 posted on 06/07/2021 8:55:19 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ((Democrats have declared us to be THE OBSOLETE MAN in the Twilight Zone.))
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To: Wish2Post

You cannot get or keep national sovereignty without the political and cultural will to do so


10 posted on 06/07/2021 8:56:14 AM PDT by SMARTY ( "Force always attracts men of low morality. " Albert Einstein)
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To: Wish2Post
Instead we will see, Free Private Cities where you sign a contract with the government, virtual governments which behave similar to insurance companies, distributed governments which do not require their citizens to all be located in the same geographic area, and so much more innovation in how societies will be governed.

Neal Stephenson has written a number of science fiction novels that revolve around the idea of "distributed republics" which provide citizenship based on shared values and no significant ties to geographic locations.

I would like to see a very pluralistic de-centralized system. I had thought that our Republic would serve us well, but I consider that to have fallen. A good, but failed experiment. What we really need to do is avoid a horrid One World Government solution. The idea of private city states or virtual governments may have some merit. Obviously a Second Amendment type of deal is required so that outside aggression can be cost prohibitive.

11 posted on 06/07/2021 8:57:43 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("I see you did something -- why you so racist?")
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To: Wish2Post

People crave power and wealth.

Power and wealth come from control over others.

The Great Reset is about consolidating many nation-states into one large nation-state, with a “social contract” that will be written online via citizen submissions.

The author believes nation states will deteriorate away.

No.

They will consolidate and become large nation-states.

Western nations (North American and Europe)
Eastern nations (China, Russia and Asia)
Muslim nations (Africa and Middle East)

Three large nation-states that will end up fighting it out for world dominance.


12 posted on 06/07/2021 8:58:45 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (We are being played by forces most do not understand)
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To: Wish2Post

Or 1453 when the Eastern empire “fell”.

Even well after 476 you could find places such as in Spain where you had working baths, waterworks, municipal government, games. 476 was merely the end of “Italians (there really being no such thing at the time) being kings in Ravenna.


13 posted on 06/07/2021 8:59:38 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (NUKE MECCA. ABOLISH THE DEA, IRS, AND ATF)
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To: Wish2Post

The nation state as an idea is already dead. Being a nation used to mean a shared language, history, and faith.

Japan is the only country in the world that still believes that is what defines a nation.


14 posted on 06/07/2021 9:01:28 AM PDT by Renfrew
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To: Wish2Post

May 29, 1453 is when the last little bit of the Roman Empire fell.

Byzantium, Forever and Ever!


15 posted on 06/07/2021 9:02:36 AM PDT by Fai Mao
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To: Wish2Post

Even a hard drive is partitioned into discrete and functionally useful aggregates.


16 posted on 06/07/2021 9:04:26 AM PDT by Track9 (Dealing with democrats is like living without toilet paper. )
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To: Wish2Post
"Free Private Cities where you sign a contract with the government, virtual governments which behave similar to insurance companies, distributed governments which do not require their citizens to all be located in the same geographic area, and so much more innovation in how societies will be governed."

If Bob can wake up and declare he is Sue, then it logically follows that we can wake up and declare we are citizens of some other more free, lower tax state.

17 posted on 06/07/2021 9:06:53 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“Access to the free and #OpenInternet is an essential human right in modern society.” -- Twitter)
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To: Wish2Post

IMHO we lost our Republic when we decided on having an empire.

As with Rome, a Republican form of government works well for a somewhat homogeneous population in a mostly contiguous area, but once you start trying to control overseas areas and very different peoples, many of whom might not really be thrilled about being controlled from afar, a form of government effectively dependent upon almost everyone being in at least rough agreement as to principles, priorities and culture ceases to work.

Some say it was the only option to fight the USSR, but really, once we took the Philippines and asserted our hegemony over South America we could no longer really be a country of English Speaking ‘yeoman farmers’ wherein everyone had ‘skin in the game’.

800 military bases in 80 countries is an empire, for good or ill.


18 posted on 06/07/2021 9:07:21 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (NUKE MECCA. ABOLISH THE DEA, IRS, AND ATF)
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To: Wish2Post

This is one of the dumbest, most out of touch articles I have read in a while.

You think your virtual government is going to protect you from the Chinese army or drug cartels? Really?

You think that Virtual Governments operating like insurance companies have your best interest at heart and will never abuse their customers. When they do who are you going to turn to for redress?

Threaten to leave? They will take your money first and won’t care if you leave.


19 posted on 06/07/2021 9:08:12 AM PDT by crusher2013
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To: Wish2Post

An organization can only grow so large when the people at the top are trying to directly control the people at the bottom. This is why there are echelons of control in companies. The CEO of Ford doesn’t spend time watching employee time cards.

Yet govts are stupid enough to think that they can ignore this law of organization. The US Govt only got in trouble when it decided to directly intervene in people’s lives... income tax, welfare programs, nationalized healthcare etc.

The idea that a global govt can directly control everyone on Earth is incredibly stupid, no matter how much technology they might deploy. The end result will be disaster... a global North Korea.


20 posted on 06/07/2021 9:08:27 AM PDT by Seruzawa (The political Left is the Garden of Eden of Incompetence - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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