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California Ban on Trucking Contractors Is Back
Material Handling & Logistics ^ | May 7, 2021 | David Sparkman

Posted on 05/09/2021 5:47:33 AM PDT by EBH

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To: EBH

Yes. This is all about everyone being required to have a w2 which requires worker taxes be paid as withholding. The government wants it’s money as you are paid.

As opposed to 1099 which requires taxes to be settled only once a year as income tax.

The gov doesn’t trust you to settle up one a year.


21 posted on 05/09/2021 6:36:27 AM PDT by 386wt (All your money belongs to us.)
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To: 386wt

Most 1099 folks pay quarterly.


22 posted on 05/09/2021 6:38:03 AM PDT by EBH (Republics are only meant for a good and moral people. 1776-2021 May God Save Us.)
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To: 386wt

...once a year


23 posted on 05/09/2021 6:38:14 AM PDT by 386wt (All your money belongs to us.)
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To: EBH
Quit shipping stuff into, out of, and around California.

Works for me.

24 posted on 05/09/2021 6:43:30 AM PDT by G Larry (Force the Universities to use their TAX FREE ENDOWMENTS to pay off Student loan debt!!!)
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To: EBH

Imagine the impact on human trafficking and the drug trade.....


25 posted on 05/09/2021 6:44:37 AM PDT by G Larry (Force the Universities to use their TAX FREE ENDOWMENTS to pay off Student loan debt!!!)
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To: EBH

But estimated taxes (quarterly)are voluntary. The actual money does not have to be paid until yearly income taxes are filed. Even though you may have to pay a penalty for not paying quarterly.


26 posted on 05/09/2021 6:47:09 AM PDT by 386wt (Retired software/hardware consultant (contractor))
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To: EBH

I get 1099 forms every year. I have a home office with a separate phone number, a business checking account, a state issued resale card, and liability insurance in the name of my DBA entity. I work for multiple clients. I even do business with the state of California. I am a sole proprietorship, but a legit business since and no law is going to stop me. Even when I do work for other companies in my same field.

If a driver owns his own vehicle, and works for different clients then that driver is as much a legit business as a firm with a fleet of trucks. I’m thinking the problem arises when the driver is using another entity’s truck and he’s just selling his own time. It still sucks but for many, but not all, there’s a work around.

One last thought. How are these draconian laws like this that are applied to some groups of people but not others not considered a bill of attainder?


27 posted on 05/09/2021 6:51:27 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie

>> “I get 1099 forms every year. I have a home office with a separate phone number, a business checking account, a state issued resale card, and liability insurance in the name of my DBA entity. I work for multiple clients.”

Problem is most clients will not be allowed to send you a 1099 if you don’t meet the contractor test.


28 posted on 05/09/2021 7:00:59 AM PDT by 386wt
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To: 386wt

I’m not worried in the least. Most of my clients are not in the same business. I’m no different than the single worker plumber going to someone’s house to unclog the kitchen sink. Occasionally I do work for other design companies but haven’t done so for years.

The problem is that single plumber who needs an extra worker to handle a big job and it is prohibitive to make that extra set of hands an employee. He’ll probably wind up paying people under the table.


29 posted on 05/09/2021 7:10:19 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: EBH

The US Constitution gives the federal government the power to regulate interstate commerce. Yet the 9th Circuit 9surprise!) thinks that union-serving California state laws contravene federal laws regarding interstate commerce. Let’s hope this goes before the US Supreme Court where it should be struck down.


30 posted on 05/09/2021 7:19:15 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: Safrguns

A trucking company domiciled outside CA that makes deliveries to or from CA would not be covered by this law. It’s the local trucking contractors who never cross a state line who have the most exposure here.


31 posted on 05/09/2021 7:19:48 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("And once in a night I dreamed you were there; I canceled my flight from going nowhere.")
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To: Safrguns

At the moment the state of California has a $15 billion dollar budget surplus.


32 posted on 05/09/2021 7:21:12 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Safrguns

Looks like east coast and gulf ports are going to be busy. Ditto Oregon and Washington. Might even see a significant uptick in trucks coming from Mexico via AZ and NM.


33 posted on 05/09/2021 7:24:55 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Biden/Harris - illegitimate and everyone knows it.)
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To: EBH

Interstate Commerce clause, anyone?


34 posted on 05/09/2021 7:28:54 AM PDT by jimfree (My 20 y/o granddaughter continues to have more quality exec experience than Joe Biden.)
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To: Safrguns

Yes - if you can pick up loads any where else - no need to go to California. Unfortunately the majority of our stuff comes through the Port of LA - Long Beach that provides millions of loads to truckers.


35 posted on 05/09/2021 7:29:03 AM PDT by EC Washington
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To: EBH

This is the first time I have read the language of the ABC test to define a contractor.

A question I have is if there is any profession limitation to this law? If not then many if not all industries will have their models messed up.

As a start, an example would temp agencies that would cover everything from laborers to white collar professionals.

This describes to me as applying to individuals as opposed to business entities. If this is correct then could a simple LLC incorporation bypass the contractor status? If not then many business to business relationships are screwed as well.


36 posted on 05/09/2021 7:38:59 AM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: Safrguns
To paraphrase Joe Biteme, "You didn't build that, unions did."

Now shut up and eat your dirt pies...

37 posted on 05/09/2021 8:10:29 AM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent.)
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To: Alberta's Child

>>> A trucking company domiciled outside CA that makes deliveries to or from CA would not be covered by this law.

AHHH... then it’s not really a ban on independents.

It’s a ban on free enterprise within the state.

Problem will solve itself.

Unions will choke on their own vomit.


38 posted on 05/09/2021 8:12:44 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Safrguns

All those crops in the Central Valley will be rotting because there are no truckers to move them


39 posted on 05/09/2021 8:28:28 AM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: Alberta's Child

HA! And you should see the truckers who have relocated here in N’western Az as a result of this.

I can think of abt ten in my small area of the neighborhood right now. And thats been since a year ago. Most of the lots sold here are no smaller than 2 and a third acres.


40 posted on 05/09/2021 8:30:00 AM PDT by crz
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