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Russian-Chinese pact to explore the moon is another sign the U.S. must change its approach to Moscow
CNBC via msn ^ | 13 Mar 2021 | Frederick Kempe

Posted on 03/13/2021 9:49:11 PM PST by blueplum

This week Roscosmos, the Russian space agency, signed an agreement with the Chinese National Space Administration, to create an International Scientific Lunar Station "with open access to all interested nations and international partners." It was the most dramatic sign yet that Moscow sees its space future with China and not the United States, further underscoring its growing strategic alignment with Beijing.

...This week's agreement also marked an apparent rebuke of NASA's invitation for Russia to join the Artemis project, named for Apollo's twin sister, that aims to put the first woman and next man on the moon by 2024. With international partners, Artemis would also explore the lunar surface more thoroughly than ever before, employing advanced technologies.

"They see their program not as international, but similar to NATO," sneered Dmitry Rogozin last year, the director general of Roscosmos, who did a lot of sneering previously in Brussels as the former Russian ambassador to NATO. "We are not interested in participating in such a project."...

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: china; cnbc; frederickkempe; iss; moon; msn; nasa; roscosmos; russia; space; spacerace
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somebodies don't want to play nice

Russia modernized their nuclear forces, before getting Biden to agree to arms limitation, something Trump wouldn't do. Now Russia is on Biden's plate, Russia is eating Biden's lunch.

1 posted on 03/13/2021 9:49:11 PM PST by blueplum
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To: blueplum

As stated in article.....” Moscow sees its space future with China and not the United States”....

Well dah!.... Obama pushed these two together long ago.


2 posted on 03/13/2021 9:52:13 PM PST by caww ("Politics is not a game, but a serious business" - Churchill)
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To: blueplum

So lefty still wants us to give more technology to those who treat us as enemies because of their desires for expansionism.


3 posted on 03/13/2021 9:56:09 PM PST by familyop
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To: familyop

Why would any country want to partner with Nasa ?

What was Nasa done for US lately?

I gave Blue Origin a bunch of designs that they have incorporated in their New Shepard.


4 posted on 03/13/2021 10:06:09 PM PST by algore
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To: blueplum
Both Russia and the US pretend to be Democracies, but everyone knows that Russia is a monarchy.

Somehow most of us still delude ourselves into thinking the US is something other than an oligarchy... and has been such for quite a long time.

5 posted on 03/13/2021 10:11:59 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

6 posted on 03/13/2021 10:13:59 PM PST by algore
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To: blueplum

After 9/11 they offered us free use of their bases, no lease asked for. They gave us use of Baltic ports and rail for the Northern Supply Route.

Then we say thanks by bathhouse Barry Obama having a hissy fit over Russian laws protecting kiddos from homos. Then spend a decade trying to foment unrest there with a 2011 try for a color revolution. Then we launched one in Ukraine. Try to expand NATO right up to it’s borders in Ukraine and to grab the Sevastopol navy base for NATO. Lie and accuse them of a laundry list of lies about the 2016 election. Go after their long term ally in Syria and berate them for attacking the rebels/ISIS/Al Nusra/FSA or whatever you call it this week. When their Wagner “blackwater” guys were moving against the rebels, bomb them mercilessly and kill 200-300. Put all the sanctions you can on them. Demand their gas sales go through Sticky Fingers Ukraine and Biden and not through the end run Nord Stream. Kick them out of the G-7.

And then be amazed that they don’t want to throw in with you for a moon shot.

Idiots.


7 posted on 03/13/2021 10:21:08 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. .... )
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To: algore

Right now NASA can’t put an astronaut in orbit. They might that that sorted out before they look for foreign partners.


8 posted on 03/13/2021 10:36:07 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. .... )
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To: ETL

Heads up!!!


9 posted on 03/13/2021 10:36:51 PM PST by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: Thunder90

Here comes the wall of text LOL.


10 posted on 03/13/2021 10:48:22 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. .... )
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Oh yeah, that'll work.
Partisan Media Shills make me sick.
SpaceX is going to be the second entity to land humans on the Moon.

11 posted on 03/13/2021 11:41:32 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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First Full Test Of SLS Booster Fails as Engines Trigger Emergency Shutdown.
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Scott Manley
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG8Wv8-4xFM
The final step a a years worth of testing on the first core SLS booster is supposed to be a full duration static fire, running the engines in a profile mimicking that of a real flight. This test was supposed to be 8 minutes long but unfortunately the test terminated early for technical reasons. Right now the information we have is not particularly revealing so we don’t know whether this is going to push the first flight of the core back far enough to make it miss the 2021 schedule.

Major component failure ends SLS rocket core stage test-fire prematurely, NASA explains
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VideoFromSpace
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NASA SLS program manager John Honeycutt talks about the NASA SLS rocket core stage hot-fire test that occurred on Jan. 16, 2020. A major component failure put an end to the test after about a minute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkqSMUcWwkU

SLS VS Starship: Why does SLS still exist?!
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Everyday Astronaut
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NASA just announced the lunar landers for the Artemis program and to everyone’s surprise, SpaceX’s MASSIVE Starship is actually one of the landers NASA chose alongside Blue Origin and Dynetics. And this is bringing up a lot of questions, some of which we’ll answer in my next video, “Should NASA just cancel SLS and use Starship and / or other commercial launchers for Artemis?”. But today I think we need to settle a lot of debates here first about these two rockets and now more than ever, it’s time we truly pit them head to head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA69Oh3_obY


12 posted on 03/13/2021 11:49:07 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: blueplum

Russia has been allies with China for decades.


13 posted on 03/14/2021 12:01:28 AM PST by rrrod (6)
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The last major addition to the International Space Station was in 2011, after that the forced retirement of the Space Shuttle meant that new hardware was necessarily small, but this year we're seeing a number of new pieces of hardware which will be attached to the station which will expand it and change the way it looks.
This Year The Space Station Is Getting Its First Major Expansion in a Decade
Scott Manley | Mar 9, 2021 | 438,301 views | 1.22M subscribers


This Year The Space Station Is Getting Its First Major Expansion in a Decade

14 posted on 03/14/2021 12:03:32 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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Former NASA astronaut [Mike Massimino] Explains How Hygiene Is Different in Space
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZkuQUCUYgM


15 posted on 03/14/2021 12:08:10 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: blueplum
An International Scientific Lunar Station will be like the International Space Station (ISS) only worse.

In the ISS they fight mold and mildew constantly and rely on regular visits for needed food, water, supplies and parts. Expect it to be twice as hard on the moon.

Why? Moon dust. Fine as powder that gets into everything. Gets into the seals, gets into the bearings, gears, you name it.

Also think of air. Every time they take a moon walk, air will be lost. And to deal with the moon dust takes a lot of air or gasses that must be replenished.

I'm guessing that Mars would have the same dust problem, but at least their is "air" available. Not so on the moon.

16 posted on 03/14/2021 1:18:46 AM PST by CptnObvious (Question her now.)
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To: algore
Why would any country want to partner with Nasa ?

I gave Blue Origin a bunch of designs that they have incorporated in their New Shepard.

Still suffering from last night's hangover?

17 posted on 03/14/2021 5:30:16 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: blueplum

The Russians know that the Artemis project is dead on arrival under the new Regime.


18 posted on 03/14/2021 5:33:52 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF
Except SpaceX is going to get to Mars, new US regime or not.
This is not 1969 anymore.
19 posted on 03/14/2021 5:53:03 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: DesertRhino
grab the Sevastopol navy base for NATO.

BS. Russia had a 99 year lease.

Thanks for sharing the paranoid Russian point of view.

20 posted on 03/14/2021 6:21:40 AM PDT by tlozo
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