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Communications Companies as Utilities
thedonald ^ | 01.14.21 | chickensoup

Posted on 01/14/2021 6:10:15 AM PST by Chickensoup

We are at at a crossroad. Social media has crossed the line from being a frivolity to being an utility, like electricity or telephone. And it needs to be regulated as such. Not censoring. All communications providers need to be regulated and expected to provide the platforms for communications and the tools that users can use to block unwanted content in the same way telephone companies provide blocking tool for unwanted calls. Our electric company does not censor your electricity use by judging the value of its use. This utility regulation would apply to fb, twit, amazon, Google, UTUBE, SNAPCHAT, LinkedIn, and to the smaller utilities as well. Also to cell phone providers and any other communications providers. This will permit us to regain a freer society that has been lost during this technological shake out


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We are at at a crossroad. Social media has crossed the line from being a frivolity to being an utility, like electricity or telephone. And it needs to be regulated as such. Not censoring. All communications providers need to be regulated and expected to provide the platforms for communications and the tools that users can use to block unwanted content in the same way telephone companies provide blocking tool for unwanted calls. Our electric company does not censor your electricity use by judging the value of its use. This utility regulation would apply to fb, twit, amazon, Google, UTUBE, SNAPCHAT, LinkedIn, and to the smaller utilities as well. Also to cell phone providers and any other communications providers. This will permit us to regain a freer society that has been lost during this technological shake out

1 posted on 01/14/2021 6:10:15 AM PST by Chickensoup
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To: Chickensoup

True. Many, if not most governments on all levels use Facebook and Twitter exclusively for official announcements


2 posted on 01/14/2021 6:15:34 AM PST by Starcitizen (Thank you to the Senate for passing S.386, turning the US into the third-world shithole of India. )
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To: Chickensoup

The CEO of Gab.com, I believe, commented yesterday that he was against turning big tech into utilities because it destroys opportunity for competitors such as his company. He makes sense, and God know we don’t need another bureaucratic department established to maintain/regulate technology in the direction that the government deems appropriate.

Let’s see how this Gab thing works out, and let’s see how those monopoly lawsuits work out for big tech. Breaking them up makes more sense than turning them into government entities.


3 posted on 01/14/2021 6:23:07 AM PST by MikeyB806
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Utilities are government regulated companies.

They are not stopped from having competition


4 posted on 01/14/2021 6:36:02 AM PST by Chickensoup (Voter ID for 2020!! Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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No, sorry, that is wrong. Regulation will increase the power of the government which is exactly the opposite of what we need. Regulations will eventually be used to kill off competition, since only the big players will be able to afford the lawyers and lobbyists needed to stay in business.
5 posted on 01/14/2021 6:46:01 AM PST by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: Chickensoup
We are already seeing a market correction in America.

The Commerce Clause of the US Constitution directly applies. The federal government has the power and responsibility to make commerce regular; as in normal. That was the meaning of word "regulation" when our founders wrote the constitution.

Given that the internet is used for commerce between the several states, government should ensure that anyone or any business may gain access to the internet. Specifically, no one can be denied access to internet service to their data center, no matter how large or small. This include physical and higher level tiers of the internet including things like DNS services. There should be a clear demarcation of regulation between internet pipes and fundamental internet services and higher level services, such as data centers, and cloud hosting services. Higher level services should not be regulated.

It should be anyone's choice to use or not use cloud services, such as AWS. I think you will see an exodus of businesses from AWS to private data centers or other providers. This will hurt Amazon's business.

Regulation should not be used to prop up Amazon and make them live by arbitrary and ineffective regulations created by government. More importantly, regulations would create barriers of entry into those markets for smaller businesses. Regulations have costs that always hurt small businesses. Big businesses often ignore regulations and decide to pay fines instead, thus making the regulations moot for them, but costly for small businesses.

We just need to ensure that anyone or any business can get an internet pipe to their computers/servers and internet traffic is not blocked or throttled to those people. The market will take care of the rest.

That would be one step to correct things. The next would be to look at anti-trust laws and break up the big tech olilgopy. That needs to be done one step at a time, tackling the largest companies that display near monopolistic behaviors.

To summarize, the federal government needs to take measures to ensure competition. That should be as near to pure competition (economics definition) as possible.

6 posted on 01/14/2021 6:55:50 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (See Profile: I'm giving up.)
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Unless you have billions, there are huge barriers to entry. So regulation is required until there is bona-fide and non-trivial competion.

Whole issue is Gab is niche. It’s like FR. Good for what does. However, good luck getting people other than US conservatives to use it. It’s like preaching to the choir. Need something that appeals to all without censorship.

So those other services that we all hate by now are still required unless we want to cut most people out of our world


7 posted on 01/14/2021 7:01:22 AM PST by Starcitizen (Thank you to the Senate for passing S.386, turning the US into the third-world shithole of India. )
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I don’t think that is quite right. Out here behind the curtain in the Soviet of Washington, we have Public Utility Districts (PUD), that provide electricity, sewers and water. They are smaller concerns that are established and run by elected citizens residing in the district where the service is provided. They are not a form of government. They actually work better than the larger quasi government providers.


8 posted on 01/14/2021 7:01:31 AM PST by bigfootbob
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This is true, good points.


9 posted on 01/14/2021 7:05:33 AM PST by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: ConservativeInPA

It should be anyone’s choice to use or not use cloud services, such as AWS. I think you will see an exodus of businesses from AWS to private data centers or other providers. This will hurt Amazon’s business.
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Sure simple web hosting is easy. Companies that depend on the rest of Amazon Web Services will have a large tech debt to develop these other services from scratch. It’s hard enough to go from say AWS to GCP. For example, I know one decent-sized organization that took 2 years, and the services are more-or-less similar. Now what’s the time to spin up your own services?


10 posted on 01/14/2021 7:10:15 AM PST by Starcitizen (Thank you to the Senate for passing S.386, turning the US into the third-world shithole of India. )
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https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/text-letter-speaker-house-representatives-president-senate-011321/


11 posted on 01/14/2021 7:11:43 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: bigfootbob
It's the opposite here. In my county we have a lean and mean electric coop except for the town where they have town-run electricity. Their electricity costs more and their service is worse. Nobody in the county has well water worse than the river water in town and nobody pays more for water than the people in town.

Electricity is relatively simple but still complicated enough for government (or quasi-government) to screw up. Running social media sites is much more complicated than that. The government will force big tech to allow "conservative" ideas which big tech will then shadow ban in a million different ways.

12 posted on 01/14/2021 7:11:43 AM PST by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: Starcitizen
Unless you have billions, there are huge barriers to entry. So regulation is required until there is bona-fide and non-trivial competion.

The only barrier is effort. Parler decided to hobble themselves by using AWS and they are paying the price. Like all off-the-shelf garbage you always pay later.

As for regulation, that will mainly be used to kill off the competition. Gab will be subject to regulation and fines for not allowing leftists to pollute the forum with their smut. Meanwhile big tech will hire lawyers to protect their purposely complex algorithms used against conservatism.

13 posted on 01/14/2021 7:16:23 AM PST by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: Starcitizen
It’s hard enough to go from say AWS to GCP.

Who the hell is proposing that? You are posting on an almost completely proprietary system that can never be cut off. The database can be replaced, the webserver can be replaced, but they will never need to be replaced.

14 posted on 01/14/2021 7:18:55 AM PST by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: Starcitizen

It is the cost of freedom.


15 posted on 01/14/2021 7:29:26 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (See Profile: I'm giving up.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Yes thank you


16 posted on 01/14/2021 8:09:35 AM PST by Chickensoup (Voter ID for 2020!! Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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To: palmer

really the regulated utilities in my state give me a lot of choices for electricity providers and telecom


17 posted on 01/14/2021 8:10:40 AM PST by Chickensoup (Voter ID for 2020!! Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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To: Chickensoup

Social media has crossed the line from being a frivolity to being an utility.
Indeed it has and what was good for Ma Bell is good for the social media.


18 posted on 01/14/2021 8:18:09 AM PST by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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To: Chickensoup

Those who know anything about the industry know that social media companies are not communications companies.

They are applications. Notwithstanding the debate over whether they are monopolies, they are in no way essential infrastructure as the transport (telecommunications) providers are.

In spite of wishful thinking.


19 posted on 01/14/2021 8:19:25 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Starcitizen

They reason they are criticizing Big Tech, is because they want it under the jurisdiction of the UN.

This is classic Cloward-Piven in play here.


20 posted on 01/14/2021 8:19:45 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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