AG Bill Barr says CIA did NOT 'spy' on Donald Trump's campaign, slapping down president's claims - and says John Durham's probe is focusing on a 'small group' at the FBI

dm ^ | 12/18/2020 | earles

[Grampa Dave]

CIA outsourced the spying to Five Eyes countries. So technically he is correct. They directed it though. Along with the FBI.

There have been and still are legal ways to monitor any American without a FISA or having the President, Att Gen, or FBI Director getting their hands dirty.

So did 0 have a foreign govt spy on President Elect Trump and then give the info if any to (0) ?

There are semi legal exceptions for spying from physical locations outside of the US.

The precedents were started with/by Harry Truman.

"This has been basically going on since Truman got rid of the OSS and formed the CIA and NSA. Part of their charters was not to spy on or monitor Americans."

So, we monitored Brits, Aussies, Kiwis and Canutes and they monitored our citizens to get around those bans re not monitoring your own citizens. America and the 4 countries mentioned above, formed the 5 Eyes.

So here is how this could have gone down. Obama asks Clapper privately to monitor Trump Tower and Trump. Or Obama asked Lynch to ask Clapper to monitor Trump Tower and Trump.

Then, Clapper could have asked Canada, the UK, Australia or New Zealand to spy on Trump and any American or Americans without ordering it to be done by the NSA or FBI. Leaving Obama able to say, “I didn’t order the spying on Trump Tower, or as Nixon said decades ago, “I am not a crook!”

This has been going on for decades starting with #1 through #3 below:

1. Project 5 eyes

2. Project Echelon

3. Project Prism

4. Muscular the current program run by the Brit’s GCHQ and probably financed by the CIA.

#1 and #2 go back to the early days after President Truman got rid of the OSS and established the CIA and the NSA.

As noted, neither agency, CIA/NSA were supposed to spy or monitor American citizens as per their charters.

With 5 eyes, we would/could spy on the UK/Brits, Australians, Kiwis and Canadians and let the mother countries know when they might have problems. Then, they would monitor American citizens like Trump, his people and you, for us and give the the data on those American Citizens and you

Supposedly the countries mentioned above can’t spy on their own people. Our NSA/CIA/? Could do that for our 5 EYE buddies and report back to the mother country if there was a problem with their citizens or you!

Echelon came about a little later. With the 5 eyes lateral spying agreement, Echelon became solidified and very functional for decades. We monitored their citizens, and they monitored our citizens like candidate Trump his people and you. ,

Prism supposedly replaced 5 eyes and Echelon, but the 5 Eyes/Echelon concept was/is still there.

Muscular is one of the current joint programs run by the Brit’s GCHQ and probably financed by the CIA.

So Obama would not had to ask NSA/FBI to spy on Trump. He could have had Clapper ask his counterpart in the UK or Canada or any of other 5 Eye countries to monitor Trump Towers and listen in to what was said. At this point, it was probably the Brits GCHQ and its MUSCULAR program.

The FBI may have put bugs in or set up electronic interceptions at Trump Towers for their Canadian intel counterparts to monitor all verbal and digital transmission to and from Trump Tower in October of last year until this year up to Trump becoming President. There is minimal need for bugs with today's state of electronic monitoring from afar.

So did GB/GCHQ monitor Trump, his people, and you in Trump Towers, in NYC, and then report back to Obama, NSA, FBI and ?. If so, Obama could deny that he ordered the spying?

Obama is playing a game by saying he didn’t order the FBI?NSA to spy on candidate Trump and his people. Obama probably had Clapper or ? ask his Brit/Canadian counterparts to spy on Trump and his people. Or he had Lynch ask Clapper. Then, Clapper asked Brits/GCHQ or one of other 5 Eye countries to monitor Trump Tower, Trump, his people and you!

Have fun with this data! Don’t try searching for this late at night to avoid getting insomnia. Take a baby aspirin to keep from stroking out.

Remember Clapper is probably somehow involved and is a first class liar.

Lynch may have gotten involved while exchanging pictures of grandkids with Bubba in her plane in Arizona.

[aces]

was there a gun from the Intel agencies on the other side of Trump

[Ge0ffrey]

This is like three-card monte. No one accused the CIA of spying. It was the FBI.

[LuxAerterna]

It was FBI agents, not CIA, that were accused of spying. This is a straw man question.

[timestax]

So Which one as it??

[McGruff]

I thought he was going hoe to spend Christmas with his family. Guess he decided to make a stop on the way home.

[Paladin2]

I’m appalled that Trump never took away a great number of Security Clearances.

[rdcbn1]

Well, who spied on who is sort of splitting hairs.

The Hillary Clinton campaign set up the dossier with Steele

CIA Director Brennan found out and set up his own operation and then sucked Comey and the FBI up into the project and set them up to take the fall if things went South.

He was the mastermind and the CIA was smart enough to cover it's tracks. Probably because Comey had the ambition to be the next J Edgar Hoover and both to curry Hillary's favor and to black mail leverage on her. And, of course, because Comey is a weird dude with an over sized ego who does dumb things

Brennan was working for Obama and he was far more clever.

There was a lot of collaboration as the plot evolved

[Dr. Ursus]

Barr’s father was CIA an so was junior!

[Criqket]

I would also like to point out that Barr said there was no widespread voter fraud. VOTER FRAUD. He did NOT say.. there was no ELECTION fraud. They are TWO diff things. One falls under DOJ jurisdiction. One does not. Are ya following me yet?

Dont dismiss Barr as unpatriotic just yet. We r in a savvy game of 4D chess. We dont know. what we dont know. The man who wrote The Art of the Deal is in charge. Trust our President. ... Have a little faith. And maybe just wait and see about Barr in the next week or two. I think those who are bashing the man. might be pleasantly surprised.

Merry Christmas to all. Keep the faith.

[farmguy]

Only a small group.
As in only slightly pregnant.

[jersey117]

I truly hate these people.

[RummyChick]

Me too. I am completely disgusted by our government and what they do..and what they get away with.

I am so disgusted I dont care if Mcconnell loses the Senate.
let them do their worst....

[elpadre]

If Durham was focused on a small group at the FBI he would have completed his investigation long ago, and certainly wouldn’t be expanding his team.

[Brilliant]

The Deep State needs to conclude that the fish doesn’t stink in order to save itself.

[ronnie raygun]

Bullsh## fat boy bullsh## your dirty too

[Brilliant]

I gotta believe that Barr knows what’s going on. The question is whether you trust him... and Durham.

[rdcbn1]

Exactly - and spying was just the tip of the iceberg. The CIA outsourced their spying to the FBI and FIve Eyes because the CIA is specifically prohibited from domestic spying.

Brennan was the mastermind to set President Trump up for blackmail or impeachment and to blame Trump for the misconduct of Hillary Clinton, Barak Obama and a bunch of others

[Chewbarkah]

As Barr well knows, Brennan fed information to the FBI in ways he knew would trigger the “investigations” he, Hillary, and Obama wanted. Brennan planned his operation to cover his own tracks by using others, and hiding behind legitimate endeavors for plausible deniability and frustrate prosecution. Durham’s team had no intention of seeing any evil because they knew their boss, Barr, did not want them to. What a mess Barr has left the country in.

[timestax]

well,he got away with it.....