Posted on 10/13/2020 4:04:21 AM PDT by Kaslin
Our American Holocaust!!
He didn’t know that they were. They may have been working people to death, or hadn’t geared up for the final solution. Sounds like bullets were used to kill prisoners before the arrival of the US forces.
I doubt that Hitler considered it damage of any kind.
24 million of these "refusenicks" are armed, most are heavily armed, with their backs against the wall. Nowhere to turn but to fight it out.
I believe that most Germans, at first anyway, bought the resettlement in the East ruse. But never doubt the power of denial.
Read the book The Rape of Nanking, the author does a pretty decent overview of how the education system along with social darwinism led to both Japan and Germany being killing machines.
“By the time that Baracke X was finished in 1943, millions of European Jews had already been killed in the gas chambers at Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor after being transported to the East, and millions more were destined to be sent to the death camps at Auschwitz and Majdanek.”
https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/03/14/why-did-the-nazis-build-a-gas-chamber-at-dachau-if-they-werent-going-to-use-it/
Dachau may not have used the “shower room” to kill but the killing and torture did happen.
Same here sort of. I did a trip to Israel and then a couple of months on a Eurailpass. I visited Yad Vashem the holocaust memorial/museum in Israel and that was enough for me so I passed on the opportunity to visit any of the camp sites in Europe after. The funny thing was after the visit I shared a taxi back to our tour group hotel and the driver was an Arab and he said to us it was all lies. Yeah it could happen again.
Leon Morin helped liberate Dachau according to this letter he wrote home.
According to Morin’s description the prisoners were gassed.....
If you were there, Gitmo and gundog I would give you the benefit of the doubt....
But Morin was truly there.....I believe the letter......there is too much history of Dachau not to
Also coming into Dachau that afternoon were elements of the 42nd ID (Rainbow) whose Assistant Division Commander Brigadier General Henning Linden met with a Swiss Red Cross representative and several Germans claiming to be relief commanders of Dachau and wanting to surrender the camp. The number of guards and prisoners became near unknowable with prisoner executions happening almost to the end and guards departing by orders and desertion.
What is undeniable is that there were post-surrender killings of some German guards, especially ones found in the corpse-filled railroad cars and near the execution chambers. The count of these deaths is disputed as a single eyewitness author put the number in the hundreds while almost every other account goes no higher than 70.
There was strong pressure to press forward with a court-martial of Lt.Col. Felix Sparks and subordinates on these offenses but General George Patton, new Military Governor of Bavaria following Hitler's suicide on 30 April and German Surrender (VE Day ) on 8 May, quashed those efforts. In followup investigations it was found that several guard deaths were by the prisoners and some were killed when actively attacking GIs, ie. not surrendered!
Recommended book on Felix Sparks, retired as Brigadier General and later Colorado State Supreme Court Judge, is Alex Kershaw's "The Liberator". NB: My Dad was 45th HQ Staff and went through Dachau at that time but was only transiting on way to Munich to setup a Division Command Post. He chose the German Beer Hall that was Hitler's HQ for the November 1923 failed revolt, a fitting reversal.
And is that claim to justify the vile and despicable treatment of those in the camp. I visited the camp 3 times while stationed in Augsburg GE and active gas chambers or not - dismissing it if repugnant.
An overly broad statement.
I’ve been to Dachau. It was the most somber depressing place I’ve ever seen.
Netflix has a new movie - The Eichmann Trial just came out, it is heartbreaking and amazing to hear what happened in Germany at that time.
Partially incorrect, Dachau was not an extermination camp, but they built the prototype gas chambers there and tested them out, if I understood the guide correctly, they periodically tested modifications and updates as well. So while they did gas people there, it was not systematic.
However, over 30,000 people died in Dachau, mostly through brutality, neglect, starvation, and simple indifference to human suffering. You don’t need systematic execution to be a Nazi horror.
We visited Dachau about 18 months ago, once you see something like that place, you don’t forget. Virus permitting, my wife and I want to visit Auschwitz before we return home.
Nice of the SS to demonstrate the process for him. Please cite something in the original post to confirm that the showers had been used. The carnage Morin witnessed was not the result of business as usual in the camp. It was the hurried execution of prisoners to hide their very existence from liberating forces. Certainly the “showers” would have been used, but nothing I read in the post indicates that they had been. Gitmo may be able to provide citation for his/ her claim.
I visited Dachau in 1976. What struck me the most was that, unlike sites like Auschwitz and Sobibor in the East that German citizens would not be close to and could claim they didn’t know what was going on there, Dachau was in suburban Munich surrounded by nice houses that looked like were of pre-war construction. And while it wasn’t a mass extermination camp, if you lived down the street you couldn’t plausibly say “oh, nothing bad is going on there” since the crematorium was up and running.
Per my post 35 above, a German historian and guide at Dachau explained to me how the SS used Dachau to test out prototype gas chamber systems and processes. It was there that they determined that camouflaging the gas chambers as showers was the most effective way to get the prisoners into the chamber without a fight. To be clear, thousands of prisoners died as part of these tests.
Perfecting the execution mechanisms and processes for the actual death camps was part and parcel of the Dachau camp’s “business as usual.”
I visited Dachau in May 1990.
a) I was told by a care taker that there was a ravine about 5 km away where the guards would take a truck load of prisoners every day for target practice.
b) I got locked in the crematorium area by myself at closing time while, unbeknownst to me, the care taker went around to lock up the crematorium buildings. He finally came back to let me out. For 5 min or so I thought I was in there for the night; not a happy memory.
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