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Dying in a Leadership Vacuum (New England Journal of Medicine trashes Trump)
New England Jounal of Medicine ^ | October 8, 2020 | Editor

Posted on 10/08/2020 2:41:04 PM PDT by gattaca

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To: gattaca

He could have saved ink and paper, DONALD TRUMPS FAULT.If obama was in office they wuld be lining up to kiss his black a##


41 posted on 10/08/2020 3:26:31 PM PDT by ronnie raygun ( Massive mistakes are made by arrogant fools; massive evils are committed by evil people.")
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To: Seruzawa

Best acting ever.


42 posted on 10/08/2020 3:27:30 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Texas Fossil

200,000 is nowhere near 2 percent of 330million


43 posted on 10/08/2020 3:47:24 PM PDT by Morpheus2009 (If you want me to be afraid, then be consistent in your logic, standards, and your lies!)
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To: gattaca

The readers of the NEJM sure are...


44 posted on 10/08/2020 3:51:49 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (If you're neverTrump at this point, drop the charade, you're just never the United States.)
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To: gattaca

The New England Journal of Medicine, while it publishes excellent articles, has a history of editors with leftist bias. The most nororious of these was Marcia Angell:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcia_Angell

Dr. Angell has also been a long-term supporter of assisted suicide:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-prognosis/support-for-massachusetts-death-with-dignity-what-14-years-of-data-show-us/

It is ironic that the NEJM says to vote against the Trump administration because they are “incompetent” in dealing with covid. However, Biden’s dementia renders him totally incompetent!!!! If the NEJM wants to help, they need to go back to the drawing board and find a way to work with our current administration, and stop meddling in the election!!


45 posted on 10/08/2020 3:53:15 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: allendale

You must have met Marcia Angell. See my post about her on this thread. She is really bad news!!!!


46 posted on 10/08/2020 3:55:52 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: gattaca

It is up to the states to apply the scientific information provided by the federal agencies. I am sure the Trump Administration has pushed hard for the states to heed their directives. I am sure the DemonKKKrat states have ignored them so they can blame President Trump as they get further out of whack with the infections.


47 posted on 10/08/2020 4:00:37 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Cultural Marxism is the cult of the Left waiting for the Mothership.)
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To: silverleaf

I’ve never stopped praying!!!!


48 posted on 10/08/2020 4:01:16 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: PghBaldy

These numbers are nearly meaningless because the countries all vary so widely in terms not only of testing for Covid-19 but also how the classify a death as a Covid-19 death.


49 posted on 10/08/2020 4:02:35 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
"Deaths trail cases, if you don’t get the point."

Deaths may trail the cases but not in the same proportions. The U.S. has had slight increases in the daily cases but the daily deaths are trending downward. That is because treatment is getting much better and, as therapy gets much better, there are fewer deaths.

50 posted on 10/08/2020 4:13:14 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Cultural Marxism is the cult of the Left waiting for the Mothership.)
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To: gattaca

This is interesting: In 2016 I was following a website called Real Clear politics all summer and they always had Trump way down behind Hillary.

So I forgot all about that website until now, and I just looked at it. And surprise surprise: They are saying the SAME exact thing about Biden and Trump!

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/2020_elections_electoral_college_map.html


51 posted on 10/08/2020 4:15:10 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (As long as Hillary Clinton remains free equal justice under the law will never exist in the USA)
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To: gattaca
With 25+ years at one of Harvard's major teaching hospitals I have some knowledge of the NEJM. Outstanding when covering medical issues...but politics is *not* their forte!
52 posted on 10/08/2020 4:15:50 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Thanks To Biden Voters Oregon's Now A Battleground State)
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To: gattaca

New England is a complete joke.
It is a bag of rust surrounded by salt.
On a great day, the wx is only half horrible.
And the sooner MA becomes a target the better.


53 posted on 10/08/2020 4:21:35 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: jonrick46

>deaths are trending downward. That is because treatment is getting much better

No, the death rates are getting lower because the most vulnerable people died last Spring, especially in the northeast Democrat states and Europe where they were practically murdered off by policy, and you can’t kill them twice. But it will eventually get to everyone.


54 posted on 10/08/2020 4:24:37 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Reverse Wickard v Filburn (1942) - and - ISLAM DELENDA EST)
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To: gattaca

Great Barrington Declaration ^ | October 8, 2020 | Signed by Medical & Public Health Scientists 5,113 Medical Practitioners 9,963 General Public 13
Posted on 10/8/2020, 2:32:21 PM by yoe

As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.

As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.

Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.

Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.

Fortunately, our understanding of the virus is growing. We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza.

As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity......................


55 posted on 10/08/2020 4:24:43 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (The line that separated Satire, Democrats and Stupidity has vanished. (thanks to jonascord)!)
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Great Barrington Declaration ^ | October 8, 2020 | Signed by Medical & Public Health Scientists 5,113 Medical Practitioners 9,963 General Public 13
Posted on 10/8/2020, 2:32:21 PM by yoe

As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.

As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.

Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.

Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.

Fortunately, our understanding of the virus is growing. We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza.

As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity......................


56 posted on 10/08/2020 4:25:01 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (The line that separated Satire, Democrats and Stupidity has vanished. (thanks to jonascord)!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Gee, from New England...what a surprise.


57 posted on 10/08/2020 4:26:09 PM PDT by Maris Crane
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

They lie!

rt.com
Thousands of the world’s top scientists are finally speaking out against lockdowns. Let’s pray it’s not too little, too late
5-7 minutes

By Peter Andrews, Irish science journalist and writer based in London. He has a background in the life sciences, and graduated from the University of Glasgow with a degree in genetics

More than 7,000 top scientists and doctors have signed a declaration calling for politicians to reconsider their entire approach to Covid, and to adopt a herd immunity strategy. Why didn’t this happen seven months ago?

In its first few days, almost 3,000 medical and public health scientists, over 4,000 medical practitioners, and an astonishing 65,000 members of the public have added their names to a backlash against government state-sanctioned Covid restrictions. If you wish to sign yourself, you can do so here.

The declaration was co-written by Professor Sunetra Gupta of the University of Oxford, whose level-minded and wise counsel on Covid I have been plugging for months. The other two authors are American: the illustrious Dr Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford and Dr Martin Kulldorff of Harvard. Hardly bug-eyed risk takers (although they may well be presented as such in the mainstream media).

Read more
As Covid cases rise, Scotland to close bars & restaurants in central regions and clamp down on alcohol sales

But despite a recent invitation to advise the UK parliament, Gupta’s words have thus far gone completely unheeded. In fact, it has been suggested that she and other ardent anti-establishment voices were brought in only as a ruse to placate the significant faction of the scientific community that has refused to blindly follow ‘the science’. If that was Boris and co’s plan, however, it has backfired, because Gupta and her colleagues are not giving up that easily.
Too big to ignore

Make no mistake: this is no half-cocked social media petition that politicians can comfortably ignore, regardless of the number of signatories. This is an official document with a title, the Great Barrington Declaration, after the town in Massachusetts where Gupta travelled to write it up.

Its arguments will not be new to anyone familiar with the statements of Gupta and others on the lockdowns. “Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short- and long-term public health,” it begins, adding that waiting for a vaccine “will cause irreparable damage.” Instead, it calls for “focused protection” – essentially, letting the healthy out as normal to develop herd immunity while cocooning the elderly.

But herd immunity is wrongthink to much of the public; they associate it with “letting the virus rip,” and infer that it will involve the bovine culling of an entire demographic. There are two things to remember about this. First, the body of evidence strongly suggests that the virus has long since reached endemic status pretty much everywhere, and people already have herd immunity anyway. Why else have Covid deaths essentially flatlined ever since the April peak?

Second, since there is not a scrap of evidence that any restrictions slow or stop the virus, haven’t we been “letting the virus rip” anyway? It is called Covid-19 for a reason – it was spreading freely around the world well before Christmas of last year. How slow do people think this virus is? The reason Covid deaths fell as quickly as they rose back in spring is because the disease had all but run its course. The Great Barrington Declaration does not engage with this model of the virus (the only one I have seen that fits the facts) and so I fear that, in not being adamant enough, it could alienate both sides.

Also on rt.com As Boris Johnson announces Britain’s ‘great reset’, were the Covid ‘conspiracy theorists’ right all along?
Between two stools?

For instance, the declaration lists a series of preventative measures that vulnerable people “should use” to avoid infection. Again, in my opinion only a hazmat suit and full laboratory quarantine can protect a person from an endemic respiratory virus. Nevertheless, the “think of Granny!” brigade should be satisfied with this part.

Establishment quacks are already being wheeled out to finger-wag about the “dangerous idea” of herd immunity, and also to throw about the newly coined phrase “long Covid”, referring to lasting fatigue and other effects some people are claiming after surviving the virus.

These commentators, along with moronic social media commentators, often describe herd immunity as “genocidal”. This hyperbole was especially prevalent when Sweden was said to be aiming for herd immunity (it never was). You may have noticed, though, that when the issue of mandatory vaccines comes up, herd immunity suddenly becomes very important. Strange…

Of course, herd immunity is far from genocidal. In fact, as one Twitter user with a good memory pointed out, wasn’t the UK’s plan from the very beginning about reaching it?

When the history of this outbreak is written, one hopes that the Great Barrington Declaration will be an important moment when the tide turned away from the lockdown evangelists and towards the interests of the common people. One thing is certain: it is not before time.

The statements, views and opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RT.


58 posted on 10/08/2020 4:30:56 PM PDT by JayAr36 (My disgust with government is complete.)
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To: gattaca

CCP-19 was a cute little invention but, it is now long past it’s “Best if Used by Date”


59 posted on 10/08/2020 4:33:49 PM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: JayAr36

>More than 7,000 top scientists and doctors have signed a declaration calling for politicians to reconsider their entire approach to Covid, and to adopt a herd immunity strategy. Why didn’t this happen seven months ago?

Because the plan was to blame Trump for BOTH inevitable deaths and a cratered economy.


60 posted on 10/08/2020 4:42:13 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Reverse Wickard v Filburn (1942) - and - ISLAM DELENDA EST)
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