Posted on 09/28/2020 10:03:03 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
you continue to ignore the 40-60% of people that have T cell immunity Nowhere ear 90% of the population is still vulnerable. White house advisor Dtr Scott Atlas agrees
200 million deaths.
Ask Joe Biden.
MO not on the list either and we never had much of a lockdown. Only people wearing masks are those required to do so because they work for a national/regional chain. No major outbreak though. In fact, covid cases and even more so deaths, seem to be in the blue areas. St Louis and surrounding is biggest yet we get thousands of people from there coming to this county every weekend for recreation and they don’t wear masks here. Still no outbreak.
I wonder if it’s because we have conservatives working in our nursing homes, hospitals, labs and mortuaries that aren’t killing off old people or listing every damn thing as covid because orange man bad? I swear neglect, incompetence and outright murder and fraud are 80% of covid in the US.
UTTERLY USELESS TESTS!
Showing positive results when the viral load is so small that the people would never get sick and also unable to infect anybody else.
Liz Wheeler: The COVID testing part starts at 5:40, but the entire video is great!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCDTi3Hoi1M
Here is another one of her videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUSAoqqGGVs
Subscribe to her channel here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXdOgiTcdHCpQOyDxgwHdDg
Very well put.
The testing of college/school kids has raised the number of cases.
Models like IHME’s put those figures in and ‘voila’ the models spit out dire outcomes.
The big take-away from the school testing is that these cases are being found and their spread mitigated, auguring better outcomes for the population!
Schools are a great locale for surveillance testing, and contact tracing. Just what the ‘experts’ claim will help.
(And the kids are developing immunity.)
If COVID were only paranoia the lockdowns, distancing, and masks would quickly pass. Unfortunately, the virus does kill like a bad, bad flu and often imposes a slow and fitful recovery on those it afflicts. And somewhere, China’s biowar strategists are taking notes and designing more potent pathogens against us.
Certainly the population centers have their own dynamics in terms of how disease is able to spread, based on the layout, culture, density, etc. My only concern is in expressing a conclusion that the reason for a positive shift in numbers is reaching herd immunity, since that has some finality to it and the risk is that if there’s another jump later, it looks like something is terribly wrong (e.g. either there’s no such thing as herd immunity for this or we just don’t understand it).
I do share your optimism about the vaccines though. It seems as though several are moving closer to the end of clinical trials. I’ve been a little surprised at how long the FDA has held up Oxford’s candidate, but I trust that they’re just being thorough and honestly that’s what I expect and hope to see from the FDA. I’m thankful for their caution. Moderna says they’ll have 20 million doses by year’s end. If we can get a few others with similar amounts or more, we should be in pretty decent shape to see a sharp decline in numbers across the board. That would be hugely helpful. Consumer confidence is a major part of the economic engine, so we need people going out and releasing all the pent-up demand for spending.
Report from Arizona...
Yeah people still wear them but underneath the mask they are seething with resentment and the way enforcement changes your life and what you do...
Time to choose and not put the same morons in charge...
Stand : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Vzpjv_kR4
WWG!WGA
Sic Semper Tyrranis...
The Communist Chinese military really doesn't have to do anything more to crush our American economy and our American society. Our omnipotent governors will do it for them as the next crisis -- the next "good reason" to lock down the country and imprison American citizens in their homes -- is already well underway.
"Climate Change" (or "global warming" or "a new ice age" or whatever the Democrat/Communist/Left Party is calling it these days) is quickly becoming the next "pandemic".
Governor MeeMaw in AL won’t do the right thing. I think she is afraid...
Cases are not hospitalizations.
Cases are not deaths.
Hospitalizations are not deaths.
Hospitals are barely busy.
Politicians are not wise.
Dull politicians want power.
Dull politicians with power are dangerous.
Dull people support dull politicians.
Huge FAKE surge.
You continue to ignore the fact that if 60% of the people were immune to a virus with an R0 of 2.5, there would be zero spread because we’d already be at the herd immunity threshold. (HIT = 1-1/R0 or 60%).
Further, even at 40% that doesn’t make sense. New Jersey has seen ~28.1% of their population infected. At 40%, they’d still be 8.1% past the herd immunity threshold, so we would see a constant decline in cases and deaths. But both have been steady in New Jersey, indicating a continued viral spread.
This whole concept of any widespread “T cell immunity” is entirely theoretical. Could it be real? Sure. To what extent? Nobody really has any idea, but it is objectively not “40-60%”. If anything, it might simply explain why ~40% of infected persons show no symptoms. If that’s the case, it’s buying us nothing new that we don’t already know about. There’s no data to help quantify anything beyond that at this point.
we need to stop testing except for people with symptoms that can not be ignored...
if you are in a vulnerable group, its your choice to stay home, wear a mask, etc.....I AM in a vulnerable group...
The problem is cases and deaths flattened and then started falling shortly after she enacted the first mask mandate. It doubt masks were the true cause but it reinforced her decision—made it look like she made the right call. I’ll be amazed if she doesn’t renew the mandate again. My sense is that people in AL have been willing to grit their teeth and put up with the masks so far. But I have a feeling that will change if there’s a second renewal.
Yes, she was lucky on the timing. I’m still ticked at her, and I hope this is her last term in office.
Colleges and universities
Oh, preaching to the choir on that. Hospitalizations is the #1 stat. Really the only stat to monitor the impact. OF course, deaths are the biggest, but you gotta be really sick before you die.
And your 10% immunity makes no sense when we see contained populations where only 25% test positive. Not get sick, test positive. Keep forecasting 2 million deaths but the statistics do nit bear that out.
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