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Tesla boss Elon Musk test-drives Volkswagen ID.3 electric with rival CEO Diess
Hindustan Times ^ | September 5, 2020 | Bloomberg

Posted on 09/09/2020 7:17:27 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

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To: shotgun

Um, no. That’s some horrible landbarge thing.


41 posted on 09/09/2020 9:14:06 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: allendale

If you cannot understand the pathological flaws of someone claiming to be a cultural and industrial visionary who parades themselves on a public podcast while using a mind altering drug and who claims his fervent wish is to take a one way trip to a barren distant planet, then you ought not to post anything
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Wow. You are one scary, self righteous monster.

I think I’d rather sign up as a guinea pig for novocaine free root canals done for a month rather than have to be around someone like you for 5 minutes.


42 posted on 09/09/2020 10:24:38 AM PDT by bramps (It's the Islam, stupid!)
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To: allendale

‘H L Menken’. Get it right if you want to defend a point for gosh sakes.


43 posted on 09/09/2020 11:50:09 AM PDT by perfect stranger
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To: Spktyr

I think he was talking about the springs in front of the wheel. Called them ‘curb feelers’.


44 posted on 09/09/2020 11:58:59 AM PDT by perfect stranger
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To: perfect stranger

I’m aware of what those are, yes. They don’t seem to help; back when they were more commonly seen, the cars they were attached to often had horrible and increasing sidewall and wheel damage anyway. It got to the point where if we saw a vehicle with curb feelers we knew the driver sucked at parking and probably at driving. :P


45 posted on 09/09/2020 12:01:48 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I had a 1st gen. Golf made in that plant.


46 posted on 09/09/2020 12:45:13 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Spktyr
It’s the price paid for handling and a ride that isn’t land-yacht levels of seasickness inducing.

I have spent most of my life in mid-sized to large cars that sported 14-15 inch tires. I find that the full size GMs (Roadmaster, old Caprices, Olds 98, old Impalas, etc.), Fords (Crown Vic/Grand Marquis), Chryslers ('60s 300s, Diplomats/5th Ave. M-Bodies) all had a SMOOTH, COFMORTABLE land yacht ride, the OPPOSITE of sea sickness. I am astonished that low profile tires are sacrificing comfort and making the suspension do all the work, rather than the tires.
47 posted on 09/09/2020 5:53:11 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Dr. Sivana

I had a 64 Dart and a 68 Cadillac Sixty Special and have driven many of the vehicles you mention. In fact, the last of the land yachts is parked out front, a 94 Cadillac Fleetwood that belongs to a friend. All of them could have seasickness induced through driving in modern Dallas traffic; note that the marketplace has basically agreed with this. We retrofitted the Caddy with better shocks, springs, bushings and tires to moderate the boat action.

Also, Jaguar produced superior ride and handling by using stiff sidewall tires and letting the suspension deal with it long before the current era - without nausea, so it not only could be done but was.


48 posted on 09/09/2020 7:00:25 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr
note that the marketplace has basically agreed with this.

Hard to tell what the marketplace would say when the combination of CAFE standards/emissions/NHTSA regulations have basically forced larger families out of sedans and into minivans & SUVs, and cars priced for mortals into smaller vehicles.

Although I love the Darts (and your '64 is a tad larger than my two '66s), they would not qualify for land yacht status because they were light cars, considered a "man-sized compact" in their day. Those Darts were infamous for their awful ball joints, but hardly the kind of thing that creates sea sickness.

I could drool over your '68 Caddy 60 special, though.

Dallas traffic is nasty, but having a stiff ride isn't comfortable in stop and go either. My wife's Toyota Avalon is a very reliable car with plenty of pep, but it is not nearly as comfortable, especially for long car rides as my '94 Roadmaster (that I sold over emissions failures in PHX).

One of the worst riding cars I'd been in was my boss' '91 Mercedes S-Class. Seats were hard as rocks. I was rather shocked, and much preferred driving his 1990 Cadillac Sedan DeVille Brougham.

You certainly have the authority to speak your mind on this. Fascinating that our car usage has been so similar, but such different reactions. My experience includes 1,000+ mile trips nearly non-stop with the '94 Caprice, '89 Grand Marq, '94 Roadmaster, and '65 300 (the 35 year old 300 had a failed alternator in St. Louis 70% there). For comparison I had a bad drive in a 1999 Ford Contour, and a mediocre one in a 1999 Buick Century.

I will admit that Jaguar or anybody else coming up with a new idea like low profile tires is not necessarily a good one. My taste in car developments is piecemeal. I am all for fuel injection and anti-lock brakes. I do NOT like center consoles (though they are popular), bucket seats, and passenger air bags you cannot switch off. I like trunks. Big ones. I like traditional ignitions more than $300 key fobs.

My tastes don't match the taste of much of the car buying public, but for all the jokes against land yachts, I never heard (or experienced) that they made one seasick, only that they didn't lend themselves to sporty driving or feel for the road.
49 posted on 09/09/2020 7:21:18 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: bramps

Elon is one of those visionaries that society needs every generation. A bit eccentric—self centered ass at times—but that is what geniuses are...

There was a movement in Silicon Valley and it might still be happening—of micro dosing onself of LSD to unlock the creative parts of the brain that sometimes get, well—locked away— fascinating topic.

We know that shamans and other seers used a Soma, or other mind altering substance to transcend this plane to the next. There is also the theory that we are descended from proto humans or apes that may have accidently eaten magic mushrooms. (and later not accidently)

This current level of humans(later western civ) for the most part eschews mind expansion through substances...much to our detriment I think.


50 posted on 09/12/2020 4:18:00 PM PDT by abigkahuna (How can you be at two places at once when you are nowhere at all?)
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To: SunkenCiv
Musk had toured Europe’s largest economy

Which isn't saying much. The average worker in North Dakota makes more than the average German.

51 posted on 09/12/2020 4:24:19 PM PDT by Reeses (A journey of a thousand miles begins with a government pat down.)
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