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To: Kaslin
Din rodef is also reflected by the modern adages (in the context of a fight or argument) such as “Never follow anybody into the parking lot” and “Never follow the other guy home” because these are prima facie evidence of malicious and violent intent. It's hard for a rodef to claim innocence or self-defense when things go bad.

Since Rittenhouse went into a riot area, armed in violation of the law and in violation of the curfew, then can the prosecution say he can't claim innocent intent when things turned bad? I'm not saying he's guilty or innocent but wondering if that's why they charged him with murder?

19 posted on 08/30/2020 6:08:22 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

I don’t know, but it seems to me if he was using his weapon and shot the person, he’s guilty


21 posted on 08/30/2020 6:18:29 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: DoodleDawg
Supposedly, he was invited there to help protect private property.

There is a pretty good legal and tactical analysis here

31 posted on 08/30/2020 6:32:10 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy saints surrounded.)
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To: DoodleDawg
Since Rittenhouse went into a riot area, armed in violation of the law and in violation of the curfew, then can the prosecution say he can't claim innocent intent when things turned bad?

They can say it, but it probably won't hold up.

There are several cases where felons, armed in violation of the law, were found to have acted in self-defense, then charged with felon in possession of a firearm.

You do not give up your rights to self defense because you are a felon.

In this case, I expect the defense to challenge the constitutionality of the Wisconsin law, because it makes no provision for security or defense, which are specifically protected in the Wisconsin Constitution.

32 posted on 08/30/2020 6:32:42 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: DoodleDawg
Since Rittenhouse went into a riot area, armed in violation of the law and in violation of the curfew,

Those conditions aren't true, so there is no basis for your analysis.

Rittenhouse worked in Kenosha, and was with a group of people he knew in the area where the rioting happened before the rioting even started. Going to work as a lifeguard at a pool isn't illegal.

It is very likely that Rittenhouse's carrying of the rifle was legal under Wisconsin law.

Rittenhouse was present before the curfew, and he like everyone else in the neighborhood was trying to deal with the ramifications of the government's abject failure to enforce the curfew.

The predicament Rittenhouse ended up in was a direct result of the blundering police. The police drove the rioters towards where Rittenhouse and others were, and then after Rittenhouse provided medical aid to injured people the police were ignoring, the police prevented Rittenhouse from returning to the building where he and others were sheltering from the riot.

49 posted on 08/30/2020 6:58:39 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: DoodleDawg
Since Rittenhouse went into a riot area, armed in violation of the law and in violation of the curfew, then can the prosecution say he can't claim innocent intent when things turned bad? I'm not saying he's guilty or innocent but wondering if that's why they charged him with murder?

IMO that's the only possible reason. Other than the infliction of financial and emotional pain through prosecution.

67 posted on 08/30/2020 7:24:33 AM PDT by SJackson (wondered...what 10 Commandments would have looked like if Moses had run them through..Congress, RR)
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To: DoodleDawg
Since Rittenhouse went into a riot area, armed in violation of the law and in violation of the curfew

I think this is a chicken and egg example.

I'm no expert on these matters, but I wonder why the matter of Rittenhouse going into a "riot area" would be held against him more than the matter of the others creating the "riot area" in the first place?

I'm personally disgusted by the current doctrine that people should let rioters go about their business, and trying to stop them is the crime. To me, it's the rioters who venture into peaceful neighborhoods to terrorize that are the criminals, and that anyone who tries to stop them is justified.

I can't speak to the legal citations, but setting aside "stand your ground" or "castle doctrine" principles, what about "good Samaritan" laws? Even if Rittenhouse wasn't a resident of the area he was protecting, if there was a recent pattern of nightly terror and destruction and good reason to conclude it would happen again that night, wouldn't a "good Samaritan" be allowed to give reasonable assistance to the locals (who may not have the means to protect themselves from a mob) who are in peril or in fear of being injured?

Wouldn't good Samaritan principles justify Rittenhouse's presence, and then the others (stand your ground, castle doctrine) would justify his use of force when the mob turned on him?

-PJ

125 posted on 08/30/2020 12:18:13 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Freedom of the press is the People's right to publish, not CNN's right to the 1st question.)
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