Posted on 08/10/2020 6:52:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Someone up thread spoke of natural born citizen, that which can be no other, was the common definition in college in the 70’s. I am here to say, in high school, in the 80’s, this was still the common definition. Many times simplified to be born here of two citizen parents.
You are right, people look for any little thing to try to obscure that which is clear as day. They say it is not spelled out in our constitution, like the constitution was meant to spell out every little thing. Got news for them, the constitution was not written so you could relinquish your common sense.
The best part is, most cannot explain why natural born is a distinction. If every citizen is natural born, why the distinction? No one can ever explain that, and that is because to explain that, is to explain why it exists.
Natural born citizens can be no other. It is one of the greatest protections left to us by the founders.
Anchor Baby.
“The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” is not defined in the Constitution either, but we all know what it means.
They wrote in clear language and chose their words carefully.
They did not use native born. (Harris, Rubio, Jindal, Haley, Obama, George P. Bush)
They did not use born a citizen. (possibly Cruz, but we need to see the paperwork, there must be paperwork for all overseas births)
They used natural born citizen and they knew exactly what they meant by it and expected everyone else to as well and it was in fact well understood until efforts were made to muddy the waters.
What is this Constitution thing you speak of?
Sure there is, only lawyers can make plain English indiscernible.
The Supreme Court took a leak all over Virginia Minor’s theory that she was a 14th Amendment citizen.
Virginia Minor’s citizenship was pure. It arose out of a naural union between the soil of this country and the blood of its citizens. It was an insult to the Supreme Court’s dignity and intelligence for her to point to the 14th Amendment as a font for any rights she might have as a U.S citizen. The fact that the natural born citizen clause appears in the U.S. Constitition means that it is part of Constitutional law in the United States. It’s a “thing” that must be dealt with, grappled with, known of, and respected. Moreover, it clearly must have real distinguishing power by virtue of its employment as a POTUS eligibility criterion. The Supreme Court was entitled to restore order and establish a firm foundation for its decision in Virginia Minor’s case. It was entitled to reject the 14th Amendment nonsense she’d injected into the dispute with her original complaint. By declaring a definition for the Constitutional term “natural born citizen” and finding that her birth circumstances met that definition, it flushed the 14th amendment issue down the drain where it belonged.
I don’t think that’s a legal definition.
You are correct sir.
Next we will be talking about what self-evident means.....
Yep, right up until it doesn't.
Don't be silly Citizen and Natural Born Citizen mean exactly the same thing, just like boy and girl mean the same thing. </s>
There is no constitutional precedent that says women and men are different, it requires common sense to understand the difference and that is a commidity largely missing among the population and many Freepers as well. Besides there is no profit in it being clearly understandable.
NOT!! ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!
Quite right, she is an Anchor Baby.
Native born citizen...
NOT NATURAL BORN USA CITIZEN.
Not the same thing.
She is an anchor baby.
If this were applied to a dog or a horse-—she would be labeled ‘GRADE’—Not purebred.
Putting aside the fact that Washington was born a British subject, and thus qualified for POTUS by virtue of being a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of the U.S. Constitution in 1788, and not by the NBC clause itself, he was nevertheless a great example of an individual whose devotion to his country, the United States, was complete, total, and indiluted. He made only one trip out of the United States in his life, a desperate and ultimately unsuccessful trip to Barbados/Bermuda to try to save his ailing half-brother Lawrence’s life. He was a magnificent product of the United States of America and showed in spades how such undiluted loyalty and undivided love for one’s country reliably pays great dividends in terms of the operation of our new executive branch. Obama showed that without a doubt, the corollary is also true. Bad things WILL happen when a non-NBC usurps the office of POTUS.
We don't have a legal definition of sunshine either, but it doesn't seem to be confused with moonlight.
A Citizen at Birth is a subset of all Citizens. And a “natural born Citizen” is a subset of all Citizens at Birth.
See the Euler Diagram link that follows below. Citizen at Birth under naturalization law Section 1401 and the 14th Amendment are made Citizens of the United States, not a “natural born Citizen” of the United States. The adjectives “natural born” do not appear in the 14th Amendment or Section 1401 of the naturalization law. Adjectives mean something. Natural refers to “natural law” not man-made laws or amendments or treaties. Of tree and plants — all trees are plants but not all plants are tree. See this Euler Diagram to prove the truth or fallacy of the argument regarding the various sets/kinds of citizens and further education: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/tag/euler-diagram/
Could somebody please “put a bug” in Clarence Thomas’ ear and get this issue settled with a firm definition. Pretty please?
You have answered your own question. The Constitution is no longer valued. Social Justice, fighting racism[whatever that is],Black Lives Matter, Fighting White Privilege[ whatever that is. is what is valued today. America’s god barrack obama declared the Constitution to be a flawed Document. America agreed.
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