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To: bkopto

“More flagrant abuse from the DOJ.”

Bundy hasn’t paid the federal government its due in more 25 years. He’s ignored his fees, fines, permits and multiple court orders since 1993 racking up more than a million dollars he owes the people of the US. The fines are a result of Bundy grazing his 900 cattle on 600,000 acres of bureau-managed public lands since 1993 without a permit.

Plenty of other ranchers pay their grazing fees; in fact, the Bureau of Land Management issues 18,000 permits for grazing on 160 million acres of public lands. The U.S. Forest Service allows grazing on an additional 81 million acres of public lands. And all it takes is a permit to be obtained. But Bundy decided he was not going to pay his due to the people that own that land.

And then to get people to assist him by threatening bodily harm to people trying to do the people’s business, is detestable.

Everyone raised he(( when the chop people took over a piece of Seattle for personal use illegally. And then forceable threatened the police trying to disperse them from the area they were using. And there is only one difference....Bundy’s been doing it for over 25 years.

rwood


18 posted on 08/06/2020 12:27:31 PM PDT by Redwood71
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To: Redwood71
160 million acres of public lands

There is no reason for the Federal Government to own all that land. They own up to half of several western states.

20 posted on 08/06/2020 12:38:29 PM PDT by aimhigh (THIS is His commandment . . . . 1 John 3:23)
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Why do USAians have to pay government fees to use USA land? It is land held in common among us. Our fathers free-ranged for all of our history until DC took the land. Why does DC own massive pieces of the states land? Since when was DC given power to seize or be given the lands of our states? How few know our actual laws, heritage and common laws. DC is a foreign power to USConstitution and We-The-People.

DC owns DC, federal court land, federal military bases and a few other pieces of land, lawfully. No authority for most of what DC has decided to do. Broke their charter, created by We-The-People and the individual states.


24 posted on 08/06/2020 12:45:23 PM PDT by veracious (UN=OIC=Islam; USgov may be radically changed, just amend USConstitution)
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To: Redwood71

Not a valid analogy.
The chop folks hijacked buildings, businesses, and streets, that were in use by other rightful owners. They threatened, and extorted from the residents, and denied them unabated travel.
Bundy grazed cattle. That means they ate grass, that grows back. He didn’t deny anyone the use of “our” land, or impede their travel.
I say the gov’t has no business owning any land, other than monuments, admin. buildings, and D.C.


31 posted on 08/06/2020 1:25:40 PM PDT by Fireone (Build the gallows first, then the Wall!)
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To: Redwood71
The fines are a result of Bundy grazing his 900 cattle on 600,000 acres of bureau-managed public lands since 1993 without a permit.

Well, that'll happen when the BLM and other government entities decide they, and not the people, own much of the West.


33 posted on 08/06/2020 1:40:42 PM PDT by Cinnamontea
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To: Redwood71

I think there is another non-federal side to the story.


38 posted on 08/06/2020 2:56:51 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Redwood71

You’re full of it.


39 posted on 08/06/2020 2:58:40 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Politics is the continuation of war by other means. --Clausewitz)
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To: Redwood71
The fines are a result of Bundy grazing his 900 cattle on 600,000 acres of bureau-managed public lands since 1993 without a permit.

From what I recall, his position was that his family had been using that land for grazing from well before the BLM was even created.

40 posted on 08/06/2020 3:01:40 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: Redwood71
And then to get people to assist him by threatening bodily harm to people trying to do the people’s business, is detestable.

You have no idea what you are talking about...you work for the gov, so that is no surprise.

If the BLM idiots really wanted to arrest Bundy, they would have contacted the local sheriff, the highest law-enforcement entity in the county, and he would have served the warrant...but no, the stupid BLM had a freekin moron, Dan Love, who was a special forces wanna be, in charge and he tried to militarize the entire process. It is just fortunate someone wasn't killed...there was no reason for an armed confrontation.

Dan Love was finally kicked out of the BLM and is hopefully cleaning toilets somewhere...the only job to which he is suited.

44 posted on 08/06/2020 3:12:40 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse (Nothing dies harder than a lie that people want to believe)
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