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To: DoodleDawg

You give an accurate analysis. You need to go into the legal field.

Let’s say this was Michael Moore who they pulled out of his limo. They didn’t realize he was suffering from a diabetic severe hypoglycemia. Moore, who never expected to be treated like that, puts up a fuss and gets handcuffed and moved over to the squad car. About that time Moore has gone ballistic and starts kicking at them as he is thrown into the back seat with his handcuffs giving severe pain. He is then thrown out onto the pavement with on officer to his feet, another with knees to his chest and another with a knee to his neck. Hypoglycemia is a strange term, so I looked it up:

“Extreme low blood sugar levels which can also cause a variety of problems within your central nervous system. Early symptoms include weakness, lightheadedness, and dizziness. Untreated, severe low blood sugar can be very dangerous. It can result in seizures, loss of consciousness, or death.”

So, with a knee on Michael Moore’s carotid artery, restricting the low BLOOD SUGAR flow to his brain, what would you expect would happen? Michael Moore passing a huge blast of gas and knocking the police unconscious from methane poisoning? Would you say Moore’s obesity triggered his death? I think the technique of knee to the neck should be a basis of a lawsuit and justification for MURDER charges as much as I dislike him. All of Hollywood would demand it.


230 posted on 06/02/2020 9:26:03 PM PDT by jonrick46 (<br>Cultural Marxism is the cult of the Left waiting for the Mothership.)
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To: jonrick46

you have to prove in court that all the arteries were shut off and the airway shut off if you are arguing the knee caused asphyxia

If you argue asphyxia, there are two points to consider- heart attacks cause asphyxia (Though hte first report said no asphyxia) so you’ll have to prove the knee was the sole cause of asphyxia, and not the heart attack

(here is the coronoer’s medical report

“””””The updated report states that on May 25, George Floyd experienced a cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by a law enforcement officer(s).
The new Medical Examiner’s report also notes other significant conditions such as arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease; fentanyl intoxication; and recent methamphetamine use.”””””)

if he is going to be convicted of murder-

point two- the drug Fentanyl, a very powerful opioid, causes asphyxia- people who overdose on opioids stop breathing- so again- you’ll need to prove he died of the knee and not the drug- Remember, floyd was complaining about not being able to breathe well while he was still sitting in his own car before the arrest took place- so the defense will be arguing the drugs likely had a major role as did his cardiopulmonary arrest- If he’s to be convicted of murder, and not something like negligent homicide, it will need to be proved that the knee was the sole cause of death, and not the man’s own overuse of Fentanyl which caused Fentnyl intoxication-

If you’re going to go at this objectively- then all these points need to be considered and a determination of which was the actual cause- Was it the heart attack caused by George fighting the cops while he was inside the car? Was he havign a heart attack as he fell outside the car? Did it happen while he was restrained? Was it the drug? The knee did not cut off his airway- I’ve seen the video from across the street- it didn’t appear to me the second cop was compressing the man’s chest- but the video was shaky so it eas hard to tell-

All these things will come into play in court- it will be the prosecution’s job to prove murder and the knee was the cause— if that’s what they are going for- they will have to prove that - the two points in the medical examiner’s report also can cause asphyxiation- Baden or the woman is going to have to prove there was ‘mechanical asphyxiation’ since one of them are the ones that dispute the original findings- Again there are a couple of arteries that deliver blood flow to brain- not just the one- an usually you need to compress them all to cause the flow to stop enough that the person passes out- and just because a person passes out doesn’t mean they stop breathing- (Watch mma fights- you’ll see them breathing when they’ve passed out)

The carotid does supply blood- but so doesn’t several other arteries-

It’s going to be an uphill slog for the prosecution to prove it was the knee if there has been no ‘mechanical damage’ (which would explain why first report found no asphyxiation- ) IF the conviction is going to be MURDER as you like to type it-


231 posted on 06/02/2020 9:55:42 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: jonrick46

two quick points- you said the first medical examiner report was ‘whitewashed’- but that is simply your opinion- you have nothing to prove it was a whitewash, or that baden’s report is more accurate- it’s just tour feeling on the subject- There are several things baden said that he can’t back up with evidence- and he’s been very wrong on high profile cases in the past- so to suggest his report is the truth, while the first report is a lie that ‘whitewashes the truth’ is just your opinion only- Biden beign wrong before on cases is fact, not opinion- and the thigns he said that can’t e backed up medically with evidence is fact, not opinion- if you know of evidence he has stated that back up his claim that asphyxiation from knee was the cause I’ll be happy to take a look- but he gave an opinion without providing evidence- as far as i know- The first report stated facts- ‘no evidence of asphyxiation’ I believe was the term- and the followup stated evidence- evidence for ‘cardiopulmonary attack, and heart problems, and drug use- all of which can and do cause the heart to top which in turn stops blood flow to brain-

Second, the second reports by baden or the woman claimed ‘mechanical asphyxiation’ yet no evidence is given to support such a claim that i know of (remember, it’s not just one artery that would cause death by mechanical asphyxiation’ - there was no evidence to prove the chest was compressed to the point that his diaphragm couldn’t work as Baden suggested it had (It was just his opinion that it ‘could have happened’, nor that his neck’s arteries were sufficiently blocked to cause ‘death by knee’

Again- the prosecution has a tough hill to climb for murder charge- homicide- negligent, perhaps- but murder? I don’t see it happening, but could be wrong of course-


232 posted on 06/02/2020 10:16:58 PM PDT by Bob434
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