Posted on 04/27/2020 10:38:24 AM PDT by DannyTN
This coming from expert fake news hysteria fairies who only know what they assume and dont know history
And the thing is, the lockdown is not a “free” solution. It carries a very high cost. As divorce, suicide, domestic abuse, etc. climb, the cost climbs. And those things have long term and permanent consequences for the living.
Everything we do has a cost, including lifting the shutdowns. If all the shutdowns were lifted tomorrow do you think America would just go back to normal as if nothing had happened? About 20% would, 70% would wait and see, while 10% intend to quarantine themselves indefinitely. So after businesses are allowed to open again they will have the same expenses (utilities, payroll, inventory) with 20% of their customer base showing up. Many businesses will fail regardless of what the government does because there is no magic wand that will restore American spending habits to pre-CV levels.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article241995696.html
Meanwhile the CV will spread more rapidly among the 20%. Those people will then re-quarantine while the 70%, seeing death and infection rates climb, will keep staying at home. After a temporary boost the economy will crash again and with more Americans in the hospital or morgue it will have a longer and harder recovery. We will end up with the worst of both worlds: both high infection/death rates and a deep recession. Given 2 awful scenarios I'll go with the one that produces fewer American deaths.
GOP governors who open their states now are taking a huge gamble. If a swing state enters the above scenario good luck on persuading the people not to vote Dim.
Did they say if we do everything they ask that it would be over in 8-12 weeks and I missed it?
Because I know Drs. Fauci and Birx said it could be 18-24 months just to find a vaccine and they want to stay the current course untill a vaccine was ready. Nobody I ever heard talked about a 12-week schedule for opening up. If they had, the people would have borne it.
It was only supposed to be for 4 weeks. Time to revolt. A lot of people have had the virus with no adverse consequences. The damage done to the economy is deep.
Let those who are concerned because of their fragile health conditions continue to shelter in place.
I don’t think we needed a lockdown anyway. I think the social distancing and hand-washing would have been sufficient. I was OK with the lockdown for a few weeks, because we were panicking, and it gave everybody a chance to realize it was serious and they needed to do something.
But all I think it was good for was training us to social distance and wear masks and wash our hands and stay in when sick.
I doubt that physically keeping people from going to work made a lot of difference. We are not seeing widespread reports of infections from people going to grocery stores, or people at grocery stores, I asked a local WAWA I was in and they hadn’t heard of any in their area for example. I’m sure there is some.
Most all the outbreaks have been failures of the state to protect already-isolated people in nursing and other care home facilities. In virginia, our 2nd biggest spread is “at-home” situations where people live in apartment buildings, especially the crappier ones that have cross-ventilation and common washer/dryers, and people anyway are hanging out with each other, or infecting each other through the front doors and staircases.
A study just “sort of” showed that we started social distancing before the lockdown, and that seemed to be already making the difference, but because it all happened so quickly, and nobody ran a good double-blind study, we will never know, and the pro-lockdown folks will always take credit for any success, and if there is a failure like New York, they will say people didn’t lock down quick enough or distance enough.
They don’t safe distance. They’re on top of each other.
HAHAHA! Of course it won’t go back to normal. As I’ve been saying for a couple of weeks now, the damage has been done. The economy is toast. Our economy is like the guy who jumps from a 20 story building and as he passes us here on the 10th floor he yells, “So far, so good” as he enjoys the wind in his hair.
But the pavement is coming up. Give it a couple of months.
America and the western world as we knew it is as good as dead, all because of an overblown response to the flu. It’s amazing, actually.
But my faith is in the Lord, not governments. And life is a mist. It’s not what happens that counts. It’s your response to it.
Meanwhile the CV will spread more rapidly among the 20%. Those people will then re-quarantine while the 70%, seeing death and infection rates climb...
It’s just another flu - that affects overwhelmingly the elderly that are already sick. But those that watch a lot of tv commercials are scared to death of the flu. I’ve not had tv since 1997. That may explain why I’m coming at this from a bit more practical perspective. I’m not the least bit afraid of this thing. It’s just the flu as far as I’m concerned. And stats have proven it. Especially when you consider that death stats are being ridiculously overblown. And when you don’t live in NY. ;)
That doesn’t seem all that much worse, considering that they’ve preserved their culture and economy, and a few sick elderly people died. I wonder what they really died of. ;)
People need to turn off the CNN and PSA’s.
This coming from expert fake news hysteria fairies who only know what they assume and dont know history
They don’t safe distance. They’re on top of each other.
That was kind of my point. In spite of their high population density the mask wearing Asian countries are doing better than we are.
Last time I checked Sweden was doing a terrible job of preserving their culture. Have they stopped importing Muslims by the boatload to rape their wives and daughters?
As for the economy, I am pro-life. I believe that every life, born or unborn, is a gift from God and beyond our human measures of dollars and cents. That includes the elderly and the sick. No scenario preserves every single life but we should flip the switch so this runaway train kills fewest people. Right now it looks like this virus is still infecting too many people to justify lifting the shutdown.
Matthew 16:26 “What will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul?”. Sweden forfeited its soul long ago. I pray America does not follow.
It’s just another flu
Last flu season killed 80,000 Americans over the course of 5 months. That's 16,000/month. CV has killed 58,000 Americans over the course of 2 months. That's 29,000/month.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
that affects overwhelmingly the elderly that are already sick.
It overwhelmingly kills the elderly and the sick. But even those who don't die from it can suffer severe enough symptoms to be hospitalized. 38% of those hospitalized for CV were under the age of 55 according to the CDC. At 30 I can count on staying out of the morgue. I can't count on staying out of the hospital.
But those that watch a lot of tv commercials are scared to death of the flu.
I don't own a TV. Streaming is where it's at for my generation and most of the time you get to bypass ads as well as Big Cable.
I’m tired of the same old arguments. The world - and the US is curving down. It’s over as far as I’m concerned. I’m just waiting for them to make it official.
Thank you. Do you happen to know whether there was widespread use of masks in the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic? Was the quarantine across the entire country, or only in major cities? I cannot imagine the people back then had access to instant, widespread disinformation as we have today.
Do you happen to know whether there was widespread use of masks in the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic? Was the quarantine across the entire country, or only in major cities?
Yes, use of masks was widespread and they quarantined rural areas as well as urban.
https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-loneliness-and-mistrust-1918-flu-pandemic-quarantine/609163/
https://elemental.medium.com/why-gauze-masks-failed-in-1918-and-what-we-can-do-better-e735406f0e36
I cannot imagine the people back then had access to instant, widespread disinformation as we have today
True, fake news spread more slowly back then but the lack of an Internet also made it harder for people to endure the quarantine. No social media, no email, and not everyone could afford a telephone. If postal service was disrupted by the Spanish Flu (not sure if it was or not) many people would have been SOL as far as keeping in contact with friends and family members outside their immediate household. Of course they were also tougher back then.
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