Posted on 04/23/2020 6:47:31 PM PDT by bitt
All true. And at the same time, vaccines are overall inferior to the body's own immunities developed through limited daily exposure to a pathogen.
A vaccine is a response to a virus that takes a year or much longer to develop, based on how the virus behaved at certain moment in time. Meanwhile, the virus is still out there, mutating new tricks.
Also, vaccines, in order to trigger the immune system into action against the target, contain all kinds of other sh*t (such as nano-particles of aluminum) that as a side-effect can find its way where it shouldn't be in the body and cause inflammation, which can be disastrous--especially where it gets into the brain.
The body, by contrast, is a pro at this game, as long as it gets enough sleep and food, and as long as exposure to unfamiliar viruses is gradual.
BBC’s virulently anti-Trump Zurcher:
24 Apr: BBC: Coronavirus pandemic exposes rather than heals America’s divisions
by Anthony Zurcher, North America reporter
Take a devastating global pandemic. Add an economic crisis featuring unemployment and negative growth on a par with Great Depression. And have it all unfold during a US presidential election year, at a time when divisions within American society and politics are particularly acute...
Here’s a closer look at the ugly way that’s playing out...
The latest example of political friction broke out after Congress passed its third coronavirus stimulus bill...
It’s what came next that had New York Governor Andrew Cuomo using words like “stupid,” “irresponsible” and “reckless”.
And Republican Congressman Peter King - also of New York - referring to his own party’s Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell, as a beheaded French monarch with a reputation for callousness toward the downtrodden...
“McConnell’s dismissive remark that states devastated by Coronavirus should go bankrupt rather than get the federal assistance they need and deserve is shameful and indefensible,” said Congressman King, a moderate Republican who is retiring at the end of this year.
“To say that it is ‘free money’ to provide funds for cops, firefighters and healthcare workers makes McConnell the Marie Antoinette of the Senate.”...
The harsh political reality for the president is he faces a re-election contest in just over six months, and the longer the lockdown drags on, the less time the economy will have to recover before voters head to the ballot box.
Current polling suggests he is trailing presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden nationally and in key battleground states, and while the race is likely to tighten and the president has abundant resources to run a robust campaign, Trump appears destined for an uphill fight.
The president also faces a flip-side risk of being seen as supporting re-opening too quickly and shouldering the blame if there is a subsequent spike in cases...
***For the moment, surveys indicate majorities of both Republicans and Democrats view the existing stay-at-home measures as effective...
A battle between the Biden and Trump campaigns is also brewing over which candidate has the cosiest relationship with China - which many Americans view as responsible for the global spread of the virus that originated in Wuhan.
In competing advertisements, both sides suggested their opponent is too soft to stand up to the Chinese government...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52405741
***Zurcher links to HuffPo/Ariel Edwards-Levy, Senior reporter + polling editor tweet linking to CBS YOUGOV poll below; video has a gleeful Anthony Salvanto answering questions about the YOUGOV poll:
VIDEO: 23 Apr: CBS: Americans prioritize staying home and worry restrictions will lift too fast — CBS News poll
By Anthony Salvanto, Jennifer De Pinto, Fred Backus and Kabir Khanna
Health concerns still take precedence over economic concerns by a wide margin for Americans in their views on when to reopen the economy — both in what they want for the nation, and in what they’d do themselves. Many say they need to be confident the coronavirus outbreak is over before returning to public places, and big majorities of all partisans agree the stay-at-home orders are effective.
The health concerns may be so salient that even for those whose finances have been impacted and even for those concerned about job loss, most of them still worry the country will open up too fast.
Sixty-three percent of Americans are more worried about restrictions lifting too fast and worsening the outbreak...
Only 13% say they would definitely return to public places over the next few weeks if restrictions were lifted right now, regardless of what else happened with the outbreak...
More than two-thirds of Americans think their state and local officials are doing a good job, while fewer than half think the same of Donald Trump...
This CBS News survey was conducted by YouGov using a nationally representative sample of 2,112 U.S. residents interviewed between April 20-22, 2020. This sample was weighted according to gender, age, race and education based on the American Community Survey, conducted by the U.S. Bureau of the Census, as well as 2016 presidential vote and registration status. The margin of error is +/- 2.5 points.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/americans-prioritize-staying-home-and-worry-restrictions-will-lift-too-fast-cbs-news-poll/
anyone who believes a YouGovt poll doesn’t know their form.
That’s a great point. You’re right.
“self-interest and greed, by Trump’s desire to callously reopen the economy at the expense of human life.”
It’s not a choice between filthy lucre, and human life. It’s a choice between lives and lives.
If the economy were to collapse — to the point where things start to resemble Venezuela — many more deaths could result, compared even to the worst case for the CCP virus.
Imagine if food chains break — food riots would start within days; followed by home invasions for food.
Imagine if the electric grid goes down, and stays down, due to the lack of critical parts. Major cities would experience an apocalypse within days.
And so on, and so forth — none of it good.
I have good reasons to fear the virus — but, I’m more worried about social and economic collapse. If everyone does their bit to act responsibly (maintain social distance from vulnerable people; wear masks in public; wash their hands; etc.) then, restarting the economy will save many lives.
He probably would have said it is safe to play without fans in the arena, etc. as we need some sense of normalcy and the media would have told us how great he was and why normalcy is good.
Notice how they started with 2 weeks, then 2 more then saw the sheep accepted that and decided to add 30 days, then another, etc.
The world is dangerous. We cannot create a “safe space” outside our home. Hell, we cannot even do that in our own homes for any real length of time.
There are risks in life. It sounds like we cannot eradicate this virus entirely. Since we will not be able to eradicate it entirely, it is foolish to use that as a guidepost of when it is safe to reopen the country and economy.
Dennis Prager said something, to paraphrase, that we can listen to experts, in this case experts in disease control, but that the experts should not be the ones making policy.
If it was up to doctors such as Fauci and Rahm Emmanuel’s brother, we would stay locked down for the next year plus.
The economic and societal meltdown that would occur if we were adopt such policies are of no concern to experts such as these doctors, because their expertise is in disease. And the fact that they have no responsibility to oversee the government or economy or society as a whole.
Yes, I see it.
I was personally willing to do a month for the front line. For many, even two weeks was hard to do. Lots of people do not have savings.
Continued shutdown really is not going to work.
Most people or small business were told it was a few weeks or a month and could probably make it work, it would be hard but doable. Then these elected official let it get to their head that they could buy votes from terrified Karen’s and went of the “for your safety” rampage and in cases live VA will have shut down their state for at around 3 months.
That is not sustainable and I suspect the Karens and elected officials somehow think many of theses shuttered business will somehow reopen. They will be in for a rude awakening when many simply never reopen and wonder why that when they give the order to reopen, it doesn’t happen.
I’m one of the people who will still have to continue being as careful as possible, I have 4 co morbidities including the top 3.
But, that being said, I do intend to see my friends again, I intend to go somewhere from time to time. I cannot live alone being a prisoner. Social distancing is not a good time.
I also have a friend, who I love very much, who has been greatly affected by this shut down. I do not want to see him lose his job, he worked his tail off from beneath the bottom to get where he is, and it all got yanked away from him for nothing that he did at all, and I think that just sucks. I mean, I am really very sad about what’s happened to him, and he is just one story.
We may be avoiding X amount of misery caused by the virus by doing what we’re doing, but we’re also creating Y amount of misery by doing what we’re doing. It’s a frustrating no win, but continuing the shutdown is a sure loss.
Yes, biding their time until Uncle Sugar’s $600 a week free money kicks in and incentivizes staying on lockdown.
Trump needs to return to his original instincts from when this all started.
“If you ask these doctors they’d want us shut down forever.”
Yep - you can make anything fool-proof, but you can't make it damn-fool-proof...
The dems may have had that in mind the whole time.
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