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Constitutional Carry in Play 2020, Tennessee and Louisiana
AmmoLand ^ | 3 March, 2020 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 03/05/2020 4:32:55 AM PST by marktwain

Image from gun-nuttery, cropped by Dean Weingarten

Constitutional Carry continues to gain members. One to three states are likely to pass new laws in 2020.

Constitutional Carry is the return to a close approximation of the state of law in the United States when the Bill of Rights was ratified in 1791.  At that time there were no permits required to carry weapons in public places, either openly or concealed.

Concealed weapons were common and popular. Examples are knives, sword canes, and Queen Anne's or “muff” pistols. This state of law persisted in the United States for 30 years, until nearly all the founding fathers were dead.

Tennessee

The most likely state to pass a bill restoring Constitutional Carry in 2020 is Tennessee. Governor Bill Lee has publicly supported passing Constitutional Carry, as have the majority leaders in both the Senate and the House. A formal bill has yet to be submitted in the legislature.

Tennessee Firearms Association (TFA) has received a copy of an amendment said to be the heart of the proposed legislation.

The proposed legislation primarily creates an exception to existing law for either carrying a handgun, either openly or concealed. From TFA:

Section 1 of the proposed law does not alter TCA 39-17-1307(a) by “removing the Class C misdemeanor” – it is still there. What this bill does is it creates a new subpart (g) that says this:

It is an exception to the application of subsection (a) that a person is carrying, whether openly or concealed, a handgun and:

(1) The person meets the qualifications for the issuance of an enhanced handgun carry permit under § 39-17-1351(b) and


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitutionalcarry; secondamendment; tn
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Constitutional Carry contunues to be popular in the states. If one more state restores Constitutional Carry, more than one third of states will be Constitutional Carry states.
1 posted on 03/05/2020 4:32:55 AM PST by marktwain
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I’m just amazed that some states decide not to adhere to the Constitution. And it’s OK.

Of course, the federal government doesn’t adhere to the Constitution either.


2 posted on 03/05/2020 4:39:31 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: ClearCase_guy
A right is individual and it can never be taken away. Only surrendered.

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Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. -- Daniel Webster

When all government ...in little as in great things... shall be drawn to Washington as the center of all power; it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another, and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated." -- Thomas Jefferson, 1821

The founders told us what was in our future but we're too stupid to see it.So buckle up,enjoy the ride,all the way to the crash site. (But I feel so good about myself.)

3 posted on 03/05/2020 5:02:14 AM PST by SanchoP (DC is the deep state.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I’m just amazed that some states decide not to adhere to the Constitution. And it’s OK. Of course, the federal government doesn’t adhere to the Constitution either.

It is rooted in the history of slavery in the U.S. and the Civil War/ War between the States.

Constitutional Carry was the law everywhere in the U.S. for a generation after the ratification of the Bill of Rights.

Then the Supreme Court ruled the Bill of Rights did not apply to state governments.

There were a few laws passed against concealed carry.

Then the Civil War. After the war, the southern states worked to keep freed blacks disarmed.

Then, Progressivism became dominant. Progressives believe any restriction on government power is immoral.

FDR and Truman, with four terms, packed the court with believers in Progressivism.

And here we are.

4 posted on 03/05/2020 5:03:22 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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One reason Arizona passed Constitutional Carry was nit-picking police officers going after the slightest or imagined gun offense. These few officers generated enough problems to make it an issue. So I guess... Thanks, nit-pickers!


5 posted on 03/05/2020 5:07:34 AM PST by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: marktwain
There are several other limitations, but, generally, if a person can legally obtain a Tennessee concealed carry permit, under the new law they will be able to carry a handgun openly or concealed, without a permit,

If there are limitations then is it really constitutional carry?

6 posted on 03/05/2020 5:20:01 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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Curious as to why NJ is shown as “may issue”.

Should be “No Issue”. It’s almost impossible to get a carry license there.


7 posted on 03/05/2020 5:22:16 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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If there are limitations then is it really constitutional carry?

There have always been some limitations.

Prisoners were not allowed to bring guns into jail with them.

It was illegal to sell guns to Indian tribes, from time to time.

You were not allowed to fire guns indiscriminately in an urban center.

The First Amendment has limitations as well. Shouting "Fire" when there is no fire, in a theater is a classic.

The analogy with the Second Amendment would be firing a gun in a theater when there is no deadly threat.

8 posted on 03/05/2020 5:26:31 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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It’s almost impossible to get a carry license there.

"Almost" is not the same as impossible.

That is why.

9 posted on 03/05/2020 5:27:29 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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Since there aren’t any more “never issue” states to color red, thanks to the Supreme Court, perhaps the map maintainer should adopt a new category, “Hardly ever issue”, for states which are technically “may issue”, but where the number of permits is under 1% of the population.


10 posted on 03/05/2020 5:37:22 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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Prisoners were not allowed to bring guns into jail with them.

A person convicted of a crime is one thing. But what about law abiding citizens being able to bring their firearm to court, or places where governmental bodies are meeting, or sporting events and bars and schools? Are those legitimate restrictions as well?

You were not allowed to fire guns indiscriminately in an urban center.

We're talking about law abiding citizens carrying their firearm as the Second Amendment protects. Firing indiscriminately is a criminal act and not protected by the First Amendment.

The analogy with the Second Amendment would be firing a gun in a theater when there is no deadly threat.

As above.

11 posted on 03/05/2020 5:43:14 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: PapaBear3625

“Hardly ever” states would be Hawaii, most of urban California, Maryland, New Jersey, and, dishonorable mention, New York City.


12 posted on 03/05/2020 5:45:40 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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Good news. Thanks for posting. HOORAY Tennessee & Louisiana.


13 posted on 03/05/2020 5:52:25 AM PST by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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To: \/\/ayne

Just back from AZ. Fellow in a gun store told me the police STILL nit pick. If your stopped in front of a school exclusion zone ( 500 or 1000 feet, I forget ) they try to pop you.


14 posted on 03/05/2020 5:53:29 AM PST by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: marktwain

Just like with the concealed carry revolution that started in Florida in the 80s and then swept the nation in all but the communist states, constitutional carry has been steadily gaining ground. I see several more states where the people would probably support changing the laws to constitutional carry.


15 posted on 03/05/2020 6:06:19 AM PST by FLT-bird
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Yes, it’s a constant battle.


16 posted on 03/05/2020 6:20:30 AM PST by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: PGalt

Tennessee May be wavering.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3821810/posts


17 posted on 03/05/2020 6:48:43 AM PST by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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It’s hard to believe we can’t get Texas to implement Constitutional Carry.


18 posted on 03/05/2020 6:49:20 AM PST by zeugma (I sure wish I lived in a country where the rule of law actually applied to those in power.)
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Tennessee May be wavering.

It is highly unlikely those instructors will stop Constitutional Carry in Tennessee. The Governor, the Majority leader in the Senate, and the Majority leader in the House, are all on board in public press release.

19 posted on 03/05/2020 7:06:00 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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It is RINOs in the legislature, working very hard to stop it by underhanded means, that are doing so.

The current House Majority leader, Dennis Bonnen (R-Angleton) is one. A real snake.

This link is a good overview of how underhanded he has been.

20 posted on 03/05/2020 7:10:17 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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