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Speaking Out: Asset Forfeiture Should Only Follow Conviction
The Bismarck Tribune ^ | 2/18/20

Posted on 02/19/2020 3:23:13 PM PST by nickcarraway

If you regularly read my columns, you have probably figured out by now that I am a strong advocate of law and order. That brings me to three items I would like to discuss related to law enforcement that I believe should be changed or abolished.

The first is civil asset forfeiture or civil judicial forfeiture, and it is a procedure in which police agencies and the government can legally confiscate property from a person they suspect of criminal or illegal activity without charging them with a crime. This can be in the form of cash, or a house, or a car or a boat, just to name a few. This happens on a daily basis, and the only way to attempt to get your property back is to sue the agency that took your property. The burden of proof is on you to prove that the seized assets were not obtained through illegal means.

It is totally legal for citizens to travel in the contiguous 48 states with cash and there is no limit, but numerous people have had large sums of money taken from them by police agencies simply stating that they felt that the money was a product of a crime.

A friend of mine was traveling across country to purchase a “classic” car. He was flying commercially to his destination when at a layover at an airport, he was patted down by a Transportation Security Administration officer who discovered that he was carrying a wad of cash that he had taken with him to purchase the car. The TSA officer then notified a nearby Drug Enforcement Administration agent who then confiscated my friend’s cash. It was over $20,000. The only reason he had that much cash was because the seller of the car stated that he would only take cash. So, this poor guy is not only out the cash, but he also couldn’t purchase the car he wished to buy. So, on top of that, he had to pay to hire an attorney to try to regain his money, and the attorney told him that it is hard to prove innocence, so most people don’t even try to recover their property.

It is one thing to seize cash or property from a “known” drug dealer or criminal, but to seize assets from law-abiding citizens is legal thievery. It violates everyone’s Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights and everyone’s right to a presumption of innocence. The police presume that you are guilty, and since their agency directly profits from these seizures, this increases the possibility of abuse. Civil forfeiture should only be allowed upon a criminal conviction proving the case of criminal activity. Until then, be wary of carrying sums of cash.

The second issue that I wish to address is one in which you may not be aware. Let’s just say that you have someone invade your home to rob you or do you harm. Let’s say that you, in turn, escape your house and notify the local police agency. They show up and in the process of removing said home invader, the police damage or destroy your house. Guess what? You are on the hook financially for any repairs or replacement of your house. The police agency is considered a governmental entity, and you cannot sue them for any damage that was incurred during the performance of their duties. Also, good luck trying to get your homeowners insurance to pay.

The last item on my agenda that you need to consider is one that most people never experience. That is the act of being arrested. Now, I am all for criminal activity to be an arrestable offense, but what happens if you are arrested and no charges are filed, or all charges are dropped? I am not talking about a plea agreement or some good attorney got you off. I am talking about situations in which there was a possible rush to judgment or overzealous behavior by the police. That arrest record will follow you for the rest of your life whether you were innocent of the charges or not. I believe that laws should be passed that removes this arrest record if no charges were filed or you were exonerated.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: North Dakota
KEYWORDS: assetforfeiture; civilforfeiture; civilrights; donutwatch; police; wod

1 posted on 02/19/2020 3:23:13 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Asset forfeiture without a conviction is blatantly unconstitutional and should be abolished.


2 posted on 02/19/2020 3:28:29 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (A socalist is someone that wants everything you have except your job.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Nobody needs more than a 10 round magazine $10,000 cash.
3 posted on 02/19/2020 3:40:10 PM PST by ETCM
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To: nickcarraway

I completely and enthusiastically agree with all the points made in the article.

However, I might make an exception for the forfeiture of book sale profits and speaking fees paid to certain corrupt politicians.


4 posted on 02/19/2020 3:45:26 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: nickcarraway

I don’t even know if asset forfeiture should follow conviction unless the asset directly relates to the crime. Any asset forfeiture is the government’s wet dream.


5 posted on 02/19/2020 3:58:44 PM PST by Opinionated Blowhard (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: nickcarraway

Asset forfeiture is simply how communist and Nazi dictatorships steal your property. Nothing more and nothing less and nothing different. It’s a disgusting sickening and highly corrupting practice as the official thieves use government force against the unconvicted/ innocent citizen and then it’s often the very same agents who keep all or a major part of your goodies, money, whatever they took from you


6 posted on 02/19/2020 4:03:44 PM PST by faithhopecharity ( “Politicians are not born; they are excreted.” Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE).)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Asset forfeiture was brought to you by Henry Hyde and GHWB.

L


7 posted on 02/19/2020 4:13:16 PM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Lurker

Started before GHWB. March 05, 1991 =>

>>>>>>

“In the last 5 years alone, the Justice Department shared over half a billion dollars in forfeited assets with State and local law enforcement.”

http://bush41library.tamu.edu/archives/public-papers/2764


8 posted on 02/19/2020 5:05:00 PM PST by Ken H (Best SOTU ever!)
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To: nickcarraway
The War on Drugs has done much more to reduce individual rights than to reduce drugs.
9 posted on 02/19/2020 5:14:03 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Ken H

It sure as hell took off during his Presidency.

L


10 posted on 02/19/2020 5:29:27 PM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
unless the asset directly relates to the crime

Would it surprise you to know that even if the assets are assumed to be ill-gotten as the result of crime and confiscated, when the person is finished doing their time they are contacted by the IRS looking for income tax on what the government estimates they “earned” during their criminal career? It happened to someone I went to high school with and when he was released from prison, he had a nice fat IRS bill waiting for him. I have no idea if he ever had to pay it as I ran into him once after his release and he told me he was in the process of fighting it with an attorney.

11 posted on 02/19/2020 5:37:47 PM PST by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: Lurker

Yes, Biden, Thurmond, Bush 41 liked asset forfeiture because of the crime wave of the 1960s-1990s.


12 posted on 02/19/2020 5:39:23 PM PST by GuavaCheesePuff (I want to thank the Good Lord for making me a Yankee-Old Yankee Stadium (1923-2008))
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To: nickcarraway

CAF must follow due process. Whether that is a conviction may or may not be true. But summary seizure to the benefit of the police organization making the grab is not that process.


13 posted on 02/19/2020 5:42:37 PM PST by jimfree (My19 y/o granddaughter continues to have more quality exec experience than an 8 year Obama.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Asset forfeiture without a conviction is blatantly unconstitutional and should be abolished.

Agreed.

14 posted on 02/19/2020 5:43:39 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (A hero is a hero no matter what medal they give him. Likewise a schmuck is still a schmuck.)
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To: NobleFree

I wish the government would declare a war on blonds with big hooters.
How about a war on health insurance or homeowners insurance.
Everytime they declare war on something we seem to get more of it and it’s cheaper


15 posted on 02/19/2020 6:15:44 PM PST by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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To: Keyhopper
LOL! Brilliant.
16 posted on 02/19/2020 6:26:18 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: nickcarraway
Cops in NYC help fund their pension fund via asset forfeiture. Seems like a conflict of interest.
17 posted on 02/19/2020 6:57:23 PM PST by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: NobleFree
The War on Drugs has done much more to reduce individual rights than to reduce drugs.

More. Much more. The "war on drugs" is nothing short of a war on the Constitution.

18 posted on 02/19/2020 7:16:20 PM PST by zeugma (I sure wish I lived in a country where the rule of law actually applied to those in power.)
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