Posted on 02/06/2020 11:06:01 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
SC is to be appointed when the usual mechanism is seen as self-interested. It’s the same principle as recusal., the same principle as allowing Harris, Warren and Sanders to vote agains their apponent. Nobody believes the vote is “disinterested and objective.”
That last SC we had was a partisan hack. Nobody believes the FBI is disinterested and non-partisan. Pretty much everybody in the federal government, judges included, is a partisan hack. See FISA court hiring a KNOWN hack to advice.
My answer is skip prosecution. It’ll piss people off. The charade of accountable government needs to end. The government is not going to hold itself accountable. Stop looking to it to do so.
I saw the president cracking jokes for an hour. What was the AP watching?
We the people ultimately hold government accountable. That is why the people must know the truth of what has occurred in their name. If they continue to make poor choices in the face of truth so be it.
Respectfully, you seem to be saying “just give up because it ain’t gonna happen.” In other words.... the deep state always wins.
While I cannot refute your reasoning to make such a declarative statement, I cannot bring myself to throw in the towel. I will be gone in the next few decades, but I sincerely want to leave this earth believing that the future is better for my children and grandchildren.
We have to try to expose what is happening and why because ultimately we are to blame for this as we are the ones who elected the current crop of swamp dwellers and we allowed this to happen on “our watch.”
Perhaps I am naive’ or just full of piss and vinegar with a dose of false optimism, but I cannot roll over for this. My children (and yours) are more important to me than I am and we owe them a fair effort.
Well said!
I’ll check with my lawyers to make sure. You understand. Royalties laws being what they are.
I don't mean for it to come off that way, although I personally think it'll play out that way.
I want the public to get engaged, to be pissed, to demand independence and radically smaller federal government. Now smoking in the boys room is literally a federal offense.
The deep state wins when the public allows, and from what I see, the public allows and even encourages.
-- ultimately we are to blame for this as we are the ones who elected the current crop of swamp dwellers and we allowed this to happen on "our watch." --
As if a choice between Romney and Obama is our fault. The people have been cut out of their own future.
I'm not going to roll over either. I'm a firm believer in breaking the law in order to get results, but to do so in non-violent ways. See Gandhi and other forms of non-violent non-compliance. I am a firm advocate of doing good, and I will submit to whatever punishment the government chooses to dispense.
It's a tough nut, as one with a law degree to assert that the law is being used to destructive ends. The people must reclaim control over the law.
“Respectfully, you seem to be saying “just give up because it ain’t gonna happen.” In other words.... the deep state always wins.
I don’t think Cboldt is saying “just give up” or “throw in the towel”.
Rather, he is saying “stop expecting an unelected government bureaucracy to hold ITSELF accountable.” That will never happen. Only the voters can hold government accountable, and that’s what elections are for.
Expecting the DOJ or other government agencies to hold themselves accountable, is a pipe dream, or a “charade” as Cboldt aptly calls it.
Miriam-Webster Dictionary: To be accountable means to be subject to giving an account or having the obligation to report, explain or justify something.
That definition implies the obligation to be accountable to others - “self accountability” is a nonsensical, oxymoronic concept.
I think Cboldt has put his finger on the reason the hoped for indictments never happen - the federal government is not going to purge itself. Only the voters can do that - and that is exactly why Donald Trump will will be re-elected in 2020, with coattails and a mandate to finally fire people that need to be fired.
President Trump, by winning in 2016, in effect “fired” Hillary Clinton and a whole host of deep state criminals who would have been running the government, had she won the Presidency. Then he fired Comey and a few more. He probably would have liked to keep firing them but Senators and Congressmen warned him the public support was not there
The problem was that his mandate for purging the deep state was not clear.
So that is what the President has focused on for 3 years; refrain from premature purge, defending his record, keep his promises, pass his agenda, appoint constitutional judges, and slowly but surely, educate the people, expose the fake news and the deep state, and seek a mandate for his second term.
If he receives that mandate, I think you will see more people fired - you will see some people pardoned - you will still not see a lot of indictments because the voters want reform, not payback.
Apologies,Cboldt, for presuming to guess your meaning - I just thought your point about “the charade of government self-accountability” was profound.
You did great. I owe you a "whatever you want."
I wish I knew a way to get the public to wise up and get interested. If a critical mass of people rose up (and that is, I think, a shockingly small fraction), things will change.
As for why no charges, I think that is because non-violent sedition is not a crime. The government looks out for itself first, the people second.
I concur with you and share the sentiments. I am very frustrated with what is happening. FRegards
I’d be delighted to share a foxhole with you any day.
Don’t let your frustration get the better of you. Life everlasting is a worthy preoccupation. Life on earth is not.
I think I am very frustrated with this and agree with what you said. I said long ago that I strongly suspected that Ryan was the one who backed Trump down on getting to the bottom of the corruption and then the Mueller and all the other nonsense began.
I have maintained all along that the deep state and democrat investigations had nothing to do with “justice” and everything to do with proactively preventing an examination of what occurred and all of what I wrote previously on this thread. Ukrainegate confirmed that for me.
It is a shame that more Americans cannot see this as it is seems quite obvious.
I sincerely pray that we will see Trump unleashed after November. He has not done a single thing that I can see to “benefit himself” and has been sincere about taking action on our behalf instead of the ruling class.
It is hard for me to swallow that he will let this rot remain in our government unmolested, but I get that he lives in a political world now and every action has an upside and a downside.
It is sometimes easier to leave things alone if the solution is too messy. Human nature strikes again. That is why we spend so much more than we take in each year because the politicians would be punished for “fixing it” so we continue the slide to our inevitable economic Armageddon, but that is for another thread.
“As for why no charges, I think that is because non-violent sedition is not a crime.”
Good point. But even when there is a crime...leaking of classified information, perjury, witness tampering, etc.. I’m not sure how much of an appetite “we the people” have for political retribution. Many of us simply want reform and don’t care about locking anyone up.
I’ve often said - just fire the bad guys, pardon the ones on our side that got locked up for some technicality, mostly for being associated with Donald Trump, and I’d be satisfied.
“He must demand a special counsel be appointed.”
Why a special counsel?
Why not just a US Attorney over whom you have control?
There is no appearance of conflict of interest as POTUS and his associates are not targets, making a Special prosecutor unnecessary. And Unwarranted.
“It is hard for me to swallow that he will let this rot remain in our government unmolested, but I get that he lives in a political world now and every action has an upside and a downside.”
I don’t think he’s going to let that happen. It is just painfully slow.
One thing that always makes me feel more encouraged is - instead of dwelling on how many deep state holdovers still remain - think about how many more would be there if Hillary Clinton had won, and how much more power they would have.
Remember, the deep state that remains is no longer running things - they were completely decapitated the minute Obama left office and was not succeeded by a Democrat. They were completely defunded the minute the K street lobbyists bribing them realized Trump had won. They have little time to conspire with Democrats in the fake news and legislature - they are far too busy scurrying around destroying evidence, covering their asses, and waiting for the other shoe to drop.
President Trump is draining the swamp - far less dramatic than many were hoping for - but the swamp is draining.
I am listening to Trump’s talk at this moment. He is not speaking with “unleashed fury”. Rather, he is making his points with jokes and humor. More fake news from AP.
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