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Experts debunk fringe theory linking China’s coronavirus to weapons research
Washington Post ^ | 01/29/2020 | Adam Taylor

Posted on 01/29/2020 9:59:29 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: JimRed
If it was a bioweapon the death rate would be much higher than the current +/- 3%

No, because it's a tricky thing: if too many patients die too quickly, the disease doesn't spread.

Also, if you get too many Americans dying too soon, we'll retaliate with nukes, for which NO vaccine exists.

Also, given geometric expansion in the number of cases, the % of deaths is going to lag, artificially lowering the death % rate.

101 posted on 01/29/2020 11:57:21 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: ifinnegan

The question is, what is the binding coefficient of the new spike protein vs. that of the previous SARSlike viruses.

That’s the question.

And IS there an ethnic/racial distribution of this binding coefficient...in favor of the Han.

And that’s just one protein that was looked at.

I’m interested in any differences in the virulence as well but haven’t had time to dig further than that.

It was about a 200+ residue portion that was radically different along with assorted SNPs in the rest. I’d have to model it to tell what the configuration difference was between the two. I’m sure someone will do that soon and publish it.


102 posted on 01/29/2020 11:57:32 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: JimRed

Yea and that will be the most optimistic case assuming all the currently infected recover.


103 posted on 01/29/2020 11:59:08 AM PST by TBall
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To: grey_whiskers

I will go even further..I doubt patient 0 was really patient 0. Others just died of pneumonia prior to official patient 0.

It’s going to take people getting it in other countries to really figure out what is going on.


104 posted on 01/29/2020 12:02:38 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: Black Agnes

As of today, we know that 0.00% in any nation outside of China have died. That’s of 102 known cases.

We know that 800 people died of SARS, total cases reported around 5,500. (were all the cases reported - I highly doubt it - it took place in China too)

Today with over 6,000 people having been documented with Coronavirus, the death toll is 132. 800 vs 132.

I believe this information is something to be optimistic about.


105 posted on 01/29/2020 12:05:10 PM PST by DoughtyOne (It's a New Year, and time to up our FR Monthlies by 5-10%. You'll <hardly miss it and it will help.)
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To: SeekAndFind
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic
106 posted on 01/29/2020 12:11:35 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

Is Peng still alive?


107 posted on 01/29/2020 12:13:00 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: DoughtyOne

The Johns Hopkins University Coronavirus statistics page seems to have misreported the Taiwan cases on the 01/29/20 13:30 EST release. They updated the reporting figure at 01/29/20 14:30 EST from 16 to 8 (as it had been [8] for four prior reports). They must have made a clerical error.

Cases outside of China were bumped back down to 95 from 102. Finland has now reported it’s first case.

There are still no known deaths outside of China.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6


108 posted on 01/29/2020 12:24:35 PM PST by DoughtyOne (It's a New Year, and time to up our FR Monthlies by 5-10%. You'll <hardly miss it and it will help.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Did the CIA have anything to do with this theory?

Asking for a FRiend.

5.56mm


109 posted on 01/29/2020 12:28:15 PM PST by M Kehoe (DRAIN THE SWAMP! Finish THE WALL!)
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To: RummyChick
I don't know. I wondered that.
Did he catch it?

The article actually I think makes a case that Peng was doing legitimate research spurred by getting the SARS virus. And it looks like he has made some great contributions to science. So maybe not a nefarious purpose. But I think the questions have to be asked:


110 posted on 01/29/2020 12:29:36 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: eclectic

Yep. Soon as you get the globalist, chicom lovers at the WP debunking something, you can then believe the complete opposite. I hate the leftist controlled media with every fibre of my being.


111 posted on 01/29/2020 1:28:05 PM PST by Long Jon No Silver
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To: ifinnegan; Black Agnes

“How long a sequence?”

Try this paper from the Lancet.

https://www.thelancet.com/pb-assets/Lancet/pdfs/S0140673620302518.pdf


112 posted on 01/29/2020 1:31:58 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: SeekAndFind; Black Agnes; ifinnegan; palmer; null and void; SMARTY
Your article just said:

"“Based on the virus genome and properties there is no indication whatsoever that it was an engineered virus,” said Richard Ebright, a professor of chemical biology at Rutgers University."

So you know the lab at North Carolina?

It's been discussed before.

Four or five YEARS ago!

Here:

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/lab-made-coronavirus-triggers-debate-34502

Lab-Made Coronavirus Triggers Debate

The creation of a chimeric SARS-like virus has scientists discussing the risks of gain-of-function research.

This is an article about the North Carolina lab which WAS bioengineering Coronaviruses (4 or 5 years ago!) doing research on "addition of function"...

And lookee who's in that article from four or five years ago, talking about it...

Yep.

Baric’s study on the SHC014-chimeric coronavirus began before the moratorium was announced, and the NIH allowed it to proceed during a review process, which eventually led to the conclusion that the work did not fall under the new restrictions, Baric told Nature. But some researchers, like Wain-Hobson, disagree with that decision.

The debate comes down to how informative the results are. “The only impact of this work is the creation, in a lab, of a new, non-natural risk,” Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist and biodefence expert at Rutgers University, told Nature.

The know-it-all skeptic from Rutgers, now called upon today to debunk.

...AND the horse he rode in on.

......with a rusty, red-hot railroad spike.

113 posted on 01/29/2020 2:45:20 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: Black Agnes

Found the link to the comment in my post #98 about Asians and coronavirus receptors.

It is in FReepmail, for your review. (Twitter link to arxiv.)


114 posted on 01/29/2020 3:27:08 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: SMARTY

If they are used by the Wash. Post on any issue relating to national security/defense/intelligence, view them with a lot of suspicion and reservations (and I don’t mean Lieawatha’s kind).


115 posted on 01/29/2020 3:41:01 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: grey_whiskers

I read that article days ago.

My question was how long was the spike protein sequence she said diverged from the other virus and she answered the question.


116 posted on 01/29/2020 3:46:04 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ifinnegan

Nods.

Not a mind reader, so I can’t tell from the thread alone what you’ve read or when.


117 posted on 01/29/2020 4:00:04 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

No problem.

I didn’t mean to be terse.


118 posted on 01/29/2020 4:16:58 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: epluribus_2

That’s a bingo. Who knew the left would use “1984” as a planning guide ?


119 posted on 01/30/2020 2:37:49 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Dear Mr. Kotter, #Epsteindidntkillhimself - Signed, Epstein's Mother)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t believe in coincidences.

2 Labs at the place where this all started.....HHHMMMMM.


120 posted on 01/31/2020 9:08:06 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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