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The Horowitz Horror Show
Wall Street Journal ^ | December 10, 2019 | Holman W. Jenkins

Posted on 12/11/2019 7:11:55 AM PST by karpov

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To: lepton

To me, the very least description of that this shows is comparable to a ship run aground on clearly charted reefs and having its hull shredded while the Captain and his officers are asleep in their cabins and the ship’s cook is on the bridge manning the helm.


21 posted on 12/11/2019 9:10:55 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Thinking about this Comey is gone, so its fair game to expose the agency, and give air cover for Wray to fix the alleged problems..

The no political bias is overcome by the fact they didn’t go deep to check out the DNC funded the Steele dossier, so its political even though they used the we give you a Monopoly pass but allowing you to deny bias and never press the issue... Even though its clearly documented in the Strock / Page texts that any of us what say “ there it is” they disregard that.


22 posted on 12/11/2019 9:16:24 AM PST by patriotspride
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To: karpov
"Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz, as he explains, is bound to assume good faith unless given “documentary or testimonial evidence” otherwise. Yet he has compiled a factually damning report that even a thick-headed and biased press will have to take account of.

Was it designed like a Trojan Horse? It looks safe on the cover until you look inside.
23 posted on 12/11/2019 9:29:30 AM PST by clearcarbon
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To: karpov

In the end, if we don’t get justice, the country will not know peace again. It’s really that simple.


24 posted on 12/11/2019 9:32:08 AM PST by Dogbert41 (Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord!)
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To: M-cubed
Yes, Lindsey Graham was great...except that he insisted that Russia got the Podesta emails by hacking and denied any role by Ukraine.

Maybe he has never heard of Seth Rich.

25 posted on 12/11/2019 9:56:50 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: allendale

This is a CYB masterpiece. Man, I hate political correctness


26 posted on 12/11/2019 10:03:13 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: patriotspride
The question is whether the FBI was a bunch of knaves or a bunch of fools. I vote for knaves.

They bend over backward to assume no political bias on the part of the FBI, just like Comey bent over backwards to clear Hillary in 2016.

Meanwhile the Democrats' impeachment attempt will be based on assuming the worst possible motives for Trump.

In connection with the July 25 phone call, Schiff and company want us to believe that:

1. Trump was obsessing about the November 2020 election during the conversation with Zelensky.
2. Trump expected Biden to be the Democrat nominee.
3. Trump thought Biden would win unless he, Trump, resorted to dirty tricks.
4. Biden was innocent so Ukraine was being asked to invent damaging lies about him.
5. If these lies were broadcast before the election, people would believe them and they would have an impact on the election.

27 posted on 12/11/2019 10:04:17 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

Or he knew ALL ABOUT Seth Rich, while he was still alive.


28 posted on 12/11/2019 10:05:07 AM PST by treetopsandroofs
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To: Verginius Rufus

Agree. Even Fox starting to admit the Dems focused on perceived intent in their impeachment today trump guilty and in essence politically motivated by using his words , but the IG sees none of that


29 posted on 12/11/2019 10:07:37 AM PST by patriotspride
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To: patriotspride

I was amazed to see Bret Baier on Fox say that the IG report vindicates Devin Nunes (roundly trashed by the media earlier).


30 posted on 12/11/2019 10:15:53 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: karpov

“...a factually damning report that even a thick-headed and biased press will have to take account of.”

Demonstrably untrue. Didn’t the press parade every one of the bottom-feeding conspirators out to take a victory lap Monday evening?


31 posted on 12/11/2019 10:20:39 AM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: Verginius Rufus
The Democrats operate on the assumption that no Democrat is guilty of anything, but every Republican is guilty of everything - especially, everything Democrats actually do. That is cynicism.

The opposite of cynicism is not reverse cynicism but omnidirectional skepticism.

We don’t assume that no Republican is culpable of anything, but we also don’t assume that no Democrat is culpable of anything. We are open to facts and logic.

32 posted on 12/11/2019 10:37:14 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Socialism is cynicism directed towards society and - correspondingly - naivete towards government.)
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To: marron

Thread: https://twitter.com/jabeale/status/1204659952251555841

Jason Beale @jabeale

“Haven’t heard much commentary on it - go figure - but I think the most remarkable example of FBI malfeasance in this whole debacle is this: Prior to submitting the FISA application, they asked other agencies in the IC to run @carterwpage’s name through their systems to see if anything popped. The CIA responded via email disclosing that Page was an operational contact who reported on Russian business, government and intelligence officials with whom he interacted from 2008-2013. The FBI official who received this report removed that information from the email, wrote “not a source” in it, then forwarded it to the office preparing the FISA application. Bad enough, but it actually gets worse. The FISA application included a section related to Page’s contacts with these Russian officials, which they presented as evidence in support of probable cause that he was a traitorous agent of a foreign power, but did not inform the FISA court that he was reporting information gleaned from these contacts to the CIA. It’s analogous to the FBI seeking FISA approval to surveil their own confidential source, Stefan Halper, using the fact that he was meeting with the suspected Russian spies he was tasked by the FBI to meet with, but not revealing his association with the FBI to the court. Of all the things I thought the FBI had done to fabricate probable cause to violate Page’s civil liberties in order to gain access to Trump campaign communications, I never - ever - imagined they would stoop so low as to use an American citizen’s operational relationship with the CIA as an opportunity to falsely characterize his association with sketchy Russian officials as evidence of treasonous behavior. It was, quite literally, the opposite of treason. Regardless of how this all ultimately plays out, this will remain, for me, the most treacherous and unforgivable transgression of Page’s rights and liberties.”


33 posted on 12/11/2019 10:46:10 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: jcon40

Is Paul Manafort still in solitary confinement awaiting the double jeopardy the NY prosecutor is extracting from him?


34 posted on 12/11/2019 10:50:27 AM PST by thirst4truth (America, What difference does it make?)
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To: Verginius Rufus
I was amazed to see Bret Baier on Fox say that the IG report vindicates Devin Nunes (roundly trashed by the media earlier).

He did not say it, but others have, the IG report roundly trashed Schiff's "memo". He lied about the FISA application, Nunes told the truth.

35 posted on 12/11/2019 10:55:40 AM PST by thirst4truth (America, What difference does it make?)
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To: karpov

“Still unexplained, and inexplicable, is why the FBI was in a panic to eavesdrop on Mr. Page at all. Nobody could have believed Mr. Steele’s story about him.”

Someone needs to explain to the reporter how FISA eavesdropping works with the “hops”. Previously they were allowed to monitor anyone they could connect within 3 “hops” of the subject named in the warrant. I believe that changed in 2015 to only 2 “hops”. Still, 2 hops was probably sufficient for a warrant on Page to allow them to spy on every important member of the Trump campaign at the national level.


36 posted on 12/11/2019 11:11:05 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: grey_whiskers

Exactly. They got a warrant on their own asset while pretending he was a foreign spy.

And based on that warrant, they surveilled the president and his circle. If anyone asked, did you get a warrant to surveil the president, did you surveil the president, they could say no, and there would be no paper trail to say otherwise. No, we’re just surveilling this one sketchy guy, Carter Page.


38 posted on 12/11/2019 11:51:52 AM PST by marron
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To: karpov
Still unexplained, and inexplicable, is why the FBI was in a panic to eavesdrop on Mr. Page at all.

This very important question has not even been asked by the mainstream media, even though it is the most relevant question of the story.

39 posted on 12/11/2019 11:55:07 AM PST by Repealthe17thAmendment
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To: patriotspride
...give air cover for Wray to fix the alleged problems.

FIRST, Wray has to admit there are problems and from his statement yesterday, he is in deep denial.

40 posted on 12/11/2019 12:07:18 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Takedown My Duly Elected President and You're Attacking The Constitution! IT WILL BE DEFENDED!)
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