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2 active shooters in one week prompt questions about military bases’ ban on firearms
ap ^ | December 6, 2019

Posted on 12/08/2019 8:50:24 AM PST by george76

Two mass shootings at U.S. military installations in one week, including one in which the perpetrator was a foreign national, have prompted questions over firearm use on American bases.

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To have two shootings clustered one after another on military bases is unusual. In the past two decades, there have only been about seven other active shootings on bases; the deadliest was a November 2009 shooting spree in Fort Hood, Texas, which killed 13 and injured 32.

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Government-issued firearms are locked in an arms room on base and only distributed when they are needed for training

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This regulation has been violated in the past: In September 2013, Aaron Alexis, a contractor who had authorized access at the Navy Yard in Washington, D.C., took an unassembled shotgun onto the base in a bag. Once inside, he reassembled the weapon and opened fire, killing 12 people.

Military personnel know they could face “significant” risks to their careers if they carry a firearm onto a base

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The firearm ban applies even in open-carry state

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The ban on firearms has been debated over the years, especially under President Donald Trump, who vowed in January 2016 that on his first day in office, he would “get rid of gun-free zones on schools, and on military bases.”

While the ban has remained, the Department of Defense took a step in November 2016 to loosen restrictions on privately owned guns, writing in a directive that base commanders could grant permission to personnel who asked to carry a privately owned firearm “for a personal protection purpose not related to performance of an official duty or status.”

Not all base commanders are willing to make that exception, and it is considered on a very strict case-by-case basis, according to experts.

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1 posted on 12/08/2019 8:50:24 AM PST by george76
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To: george76

There is no place more dangerous than a “gun free zone”.

Then you _know_ everyone who has a gun is a bad guy.


2 posted on 12/08/2019 8:52:15 AM PST by cgbg (The Democratic Party is morphing into the Donner Party)
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To: george76

NSS

(To the headline writer, not you George)


3 posted on 12/08/2019 9:02:07 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: george76

I could be mistaken but I believe the sailor who shot the civilians was on duty and used issued weapons.


4 posted on 12/08/2019 9:02:22 AM PST by GMMC0987
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To: cgbg

Larger font size at entrances might help. Or in arabic?


5 posted on 12/08/2019 9:02:38 AM PST by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: cgbg

MPs should be carrying rifles and sidearms. Others who are rated within the military to carry sidearms should not be prevented from doing so.


6 posted on 12/08/2019 9:04:01 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: george76

It should also raise some doubts about letting Muslims into our Nation, especially to train them in military matters.


7 posted on 12/08/2019 9:04:22 AM PST by GingisK
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To: george76
After the deranged Psychologist Army Major Nidal Hasan shootings and the Chattanooga, TN recruiting office shootings, The DoD authorized base commanders to allow the carry of personally owned firearms by DoD personnel.

It is the base commander that has prohibited concealed carry on base, not DoD policy.

DOD DIRECTIVE 5210.56 ARMING AND THE USE OF FORCE

SECTION 4: POSSESSION OF PRIVATELY OWNED FIREARMS BY DOD
PERSONNEL NOT RELATED TO THE PERFORMANCE OF OFFICIAL DUTIES.

4.1. GENERAL. This section provides guidance for determining the eligibility of DoD personnel to carry privately owned firearms on DoD property for personal protection when it is not related to the performance of official duties. This section also provides requirements for individual training, transport, safeguarding, and storage of privately owned firearms that the arming authority must consider when determining whether to permit an individual to carry a privately owned firearm on DoD property.

4.2. ARMING AUTHORITIES CHARGED WITH PERMITTING PERSONS TO CARRY PRIVATELY OWNED FIREARMS. The arming authorities charged with determining whether to permit DoD personnel to carry privately owned firearms on DoD property:

a. May grant permission to DoD personnel requesting to carry a privately owned firearm (concealed or open carry) on DoD property for a personal protection purpose not related to performance of an official duty or status. Permissions granted under this section do not apply to carrying a firearm within federal buildings unless the arming authority specifically determines, after consultation with servicing legal counsel and in accordance with applicable DoD policy, that an appropriate exception under Section 930(d) of Title 18, U.S.C. applies.

8 posted on 12/08/2019 9:05:00 AM PST by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: george76

#VictimZone


9 posted on 12/08/2019 9:06:10 AM PST by momincombatboots (Ephesians 6... who you are really at war with)
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To: Emmett McCarthy

Are you crazy? Do you really want our military bases descending into the Wild West? < /libtard >


10 posted on 12/08/2019 9:11:57 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (20 FReepin' years of Freakin' FReeping!!! FReep yeah!)
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To: george76

That should have been changed when the first shooting occured years ago!


11 posted on 12/08/2019 9:13:24 AM PST by caww
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To: george76

PDJT is commander in chief. This edict is about 3 or 4 sentences at most. Why isn’t it done?


12 posted on 12/08/2019 9:15:05 AM PST by CincyRichieRich (Vote for President Trump in 2020 or end up equally miserable, no rights, and eating zoo animals)
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To: george76
Government-issued firearms are locked in an arms room on base and only distributed when they are needed for training

The Pearl Harbor shooter was issued one of these guns.

13 posted on 12/08/2019 9:16:54 AM PST by pfflier
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To: george76
Read my tag line.
14 posted on 12/08/2019 9:18:49 AM PST by immadashell (Save Innocent Lives - ban gun free zones)
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To: george76

What use is a military without weapons they may employ?


15 posted on 12/08/2019 9:18:50 AM PST by choctaw man (Good ole Andrew Jackson, or You're the Reason God Made Oklahoma...)
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To: george76

Time to question why we think selling weapons is so important we have to take these risks.

10 Saudis now in custody over the attack they won’t call terrorism.

Even under Trump the idiocy continues.


16 posted on 12/08/2019 9:22:48 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (The internet has driven the world mad.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Like many others, I carry a sidearm everywhere as a civilian and have never witnessed this descent into the “Wild West” phenomenon. Maybe I don’t get out enough?


17 posted on 12/08/2019 9:24:25 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: george76
Not all base commanders are willing to make that exception, and it is considered on a very strict case-by-case basis, according to experts.

I would say that no base commanders are willing to make that exception as a means of CYA for them. Even if a shooting occurred by someone not granted such an exception, the commander could kiss his career goodby for "permitting an environment that encouraged access to firearms".

18 posted on 12/08/2019 9:49:54 AM PST by damper99
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To: george76

When I was in the Army,I knew many fellow soldiers who owned firearms (and carried). Secondly,I can’t see any possible way outside of absolute gross dereliction by the Arms Room that a service weapon is used as a murder weapon. I was always in Infantry so maybe the rest of the services and branches are different.


19 posted on 12/08/2019 10:10:20 AM PST by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: george76

I work on a military base.

If a civilian Army/Navy/AF employee with a TS + clearance brings a gun onto a base and gets caught, they will be fired by COB. Even if it’s a accident of leaving one in the vehicle from the weekend. Only exception is the long PITA process to hunt on base if available.
Bring one into the building and my guess is fired with charges filed. Federal felony charges.

I want to post signs outside the local base saying :

All women entering or exiting this base are unarmed without even mace or a pocket knife. Please do not rape, rob, kidnap, murder or attack these women as they run errands after work - by order of Base Commander and the US Army.


20 posted on 12/08/2019 10:23:15 AM PST by wgmalabama (Mittens is the new Juan. Go away mittens)
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