Posted on 12/01/2019 9:13:25 AM PST by Eleutheria5
“There is no ban in any European country.”
Okay. But the article is about the attack on Jews from Muslims and bris milah is one of the things that is discussed within the article in a discussion among Jewish leadership.
It used to be just a Jewish action. But many people, not religions, are doing it to for the male children as a future assistance to hygiene and health. According to WEBnd, it can assist in the prevention and treatment of a lot of problems related:
A decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
A reduced risk of some sexually transmitted diseases in men.
Protection against penile cancer and a reduced risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners.
Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin).
Prevention of phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (the inability to return the foreskin to its original location).
Additionally, circumcision also makes it easier to keep the end of the penis clean.
So even though this is not yet an issue, into a conflict is just another of the many things the Muslims are trying to change.
rwood
Mutilated flesh doesn’t look more handsome than non-mutilated flesh. Isn’t more healthy than non-mutilated flesh.
If you bob your dog’s tail, it’s mutilated, because he has nothing to wag. If you trim his ears, however, it’s just cosmetic veterinary surgery, because he can still hear.
That’s the criterion for whether circumcision is mutilation. Does the little fellow still work? I’ve been married 36 years, and it still works. The rest of me remains an open question.
As for the disaffected Jews and Muslims who wish they still had a foreskin, I’d say get over it. All teenagers resent the educational or living choices their parents made for them without so much as a by-your-leave. When you have money and freedom, take matters into your own hands, and have a plastic surgeon re-install it. They even change genders nowadays, so why not the cosmetic appearance of one’s peter. But mutilation, it’s not.
A distinction without a difference. Wherever a circumcision ban would be enacted, it would be oppressive to Jews and Muslims. Jews can leave, and will. Muslims will simply riot and maybe castrate a few passerbys for belonging to a blasphemous country, or whatever. They can leave, but won’t.
A very, very big difference.
In fact very big differenceS.
1. These are talks about stopping circumcision, not proposals, leave alone actually banning.
2. These are only in a few countries like Iceland, Sweden and Germany.
3. It is NOT directed at Jews, more at moslems.
4. It is also a discussion in non European countries.
So the points in your post are wrong.
“Jews can leave, and will. Muslims will simply riot and maybe castrate a few passerbys for belonging to a blasphemous country, or whatever. They can leave, but won’”
You say “They” meaning Jews and “we” meaning Moslems?!?
I didn’t think you were moslem
It is mutilation, removing a part of the body designed by God.
God asked for this as a differentiator for His people, the Jews, but that us still God decreed mutilation.
“When you have money and freedom, take matters into your own hands, and have a plastic surgeon re-install it”
And yet it was done to you without your permission.
For some Ex Jews and ex Muslims, this is, to them, changing their body without their permission.
Circumcision after 18 is an adult’s choice.
The article is all over the place and sheer noise.
It says “Eurooe” when in reality it is a few countries having people discussing it, not even a proposal.
Then the Arutz tries to whip up controversy that it is specifically targeted at Jews, which it isn’t.
The article is just like a screed about “Russian collusion “
To make it very clear, I emphasise that it is God decreed for His chosen people, the sons of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob
Children have all sorts of decisions made for them with which they may disagree when they are older. Some merely by virtue of the fact of their birth. And their parents are entrusted with making those decisions, because the child is not sufficiently aware to make them on his own. It’s the height of arrogance for the state to depose parents and substitute their collective judgment, except in extreme cases. If I want to spank a five-year-old son for being naughty, that’s my right as a parent. If I want to bludgeon him with a baseball bat, the state has a duty to stop me, because that is abuse. Same thing with circumcision. A newborn, eight days old, can be circumcised without his consent, because circumcision is part of an ancient tradition claiming Divine authority as its basis. The pain that the child experiences is passing. The alteration of its anatomy is minimal, and arguably an improvement. The damage that would be done by forbidding circumcision of infants would be incalculably greater than that which is done by performing a circumcision. Chances are, the child will not care, might even view the first uncut dingdong he sees in a shower room at a public pool as something weird and freakish. “Where’s your magic fireman, kid?”
A law that forbids infant male circumcision is as oppressive as a law that mandates it. Because it interferes in the parents’ culture and judgment, and in a case that is anything but extreme.
Children have decisions made for them, but a decision that permanently changes their body is not right.
People should get circumcised after 18. That still fulfils God’s will.
And no country is even deliberating, even proposing a law to ban infant circumcision, so the entire diatribe in this article is just hot air like the “Russian collusion:
Really?
Then who were the kids murdered in the Toulouse Massacre of 2012?
I was there. Watched it live on tv in Paris.
And who were the people at the Hypercacher Kosher Deli Siege?
Senegalese tribespeople?!
Were you there? Have you seen? I was and did.
Jewish people and organizations have agitated for immigration from all over the world for decades both before and after WWII because it would benefit their people in places like the Soviet Union. And because it provides a change in focus: not on them.
And if anyone complains about such a policy, they can count on virtue signalers - like you - to jump up and down and scream "Nazi! Yer all Nazi's!". End of debate, right?
The idiocy of opening the door to the entire Third World is that the people walking in are mostly uncivilized thugs convinced that intimidation and extortion is the way to pry "stuff" from the host society saps. Because that's how it works where they come from.
And if you don't understand that, you're on the wrong website.
And there's really no point in me detailing the entire history of the organizations and people who have worked - relentlessly - to put this insanity in place.
But one thing is clear: there's no reason for the rest of us to go along with this Masada complex national suicide act.
“The article is just like a screed about “Russian collusion“
I think there is one minor difference here between the two, the collusion thing has a whole bunch of evidence it existed and the whole world has been attacking Jews and Israel for over 2000 years.
Even if it’s another noise maker, it wasn’t the first and it won’t be the last on this topic. To me, it’s a lot like reparation. There hasn’t been a Jew currently in existence that could be attached to the crucifixion of Christ any more than there’s been a living slave owner in the US. They’re all dead, Jim.
rwood
“I can’t conceive of any use for the female variety, other than the oppression of women.”
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It was established as a way to curtail any sexual enjoyment of the female.
Literally.
Remember, this is a ideological tool disguised as a religion. This particular religion enjoys the sexual perversion of homosexual acts; evidenced by the fact that the male victim is the person punished up to an including death. The person infliction the sexual act is not considered to be homosexual.
So you have a set of males who enjoy the act of anal sex.
This same set of males wouldn’t know how to pleasure a woman if they had a book complete with pictures given to them.
Scared silly their females may need to go outside the marriage bed for sexual release, they needed a way to cause those females to fear the sex act.
Viola. FGM hits all the blocks that need to be checked.
And by using the women themselves who are afraid of being killed to do this act, they further impose another level of control.
Satan sets out to destroy any enjoyment granted to the human being from the Lord God.
Satan simply has an entire set of men who are only too happy to destroy women, girls and young boys.
This isn’t about anti semitism.
And “There hasn’t been a Jew currently in existence that could be attached to the crucifixion of Christ “ is irrelevant: Jesus and all His apostles were Jews. Perhaps half of all Jews joined the Jewish sect of Christ followers in the first century.
Christianity is the evolution of the Christ following sect of 2nd temple Judaism while modern day Judaism is the evolution of the Pharisaical sect of 2nd temple Judaism thanks to Rabbi Ben Zakkai.
Sister religions derived from 2nd temple Judaism while the other sects of 2nd temple Judaism like the sadducees, essenes died out.
I was talking about immediately following WW II, in 1946. Please pay attention to context.
“Jewish people and organizations have agitated for immigration from all over the world for decades both before and after WWII because it would benefit their people in places like the Soviet Union. And because it provides a change in focus: not on them. “
Spare me your sweeping generalizations. Wealthy German Jews in the United States were horrified at the mass migrations from Eastern Europe from around the Turn of the Century. In fact, during WW II, they were sabotaging the efforts to allow more refugees into the US. Every hear of the St. Louis?
“Every hear of the St. Louis?”
Why yes. From about the time I was a kid in the ‘50s. And my Grandfather was in the Foreign Service having run DP camps in Northern Europe after WWII, housing pretty much everyone from Holocaust survivors to Eastern Europeans of all stripes running from the occupation of their countries by the Red Army. And my mother and grandmother had to be evacuated from Czechoslovakia in late summer 1939 because of my grandmother’s dual British/American nationality, which made her liable to arrest by the Gestapo in the aftermath of the Von Ribbentrop/Molotov accord.
But as we both know the St. Louis was before the war and Roosevelt prevented them from docking while they waited in Havana.
And we have heard about that eternally since the people who went back ended up in the camps and most died.
As in, we have no right to immigration laws since the 1924 Act kept the St. Louis refugees out. Immanuel Cellar made sure we never heard the end of it as he, Phil Hart and Ted Kennedy pushed Norbert Schlei’s nation destroying 1965 Immigration Act through the Congress.
You can be assured that opposition to the St. Louis docking was not inspired by a few assimilated German Jews. It was a political decision only partially inspired by the insularity of the ‘24 Act. More then a few people now realize that Roosevelt may have used them as sacrificial lambs to provoke sentiment against Germany which did not exist strongly then.
The Jewish NGO’s have worked hard and still do to vilify any American who objects to the Balkanization of this country. In Europe they need only invoke the Holocaust and all debate stops. But the effect of this has been to destabilize the very places they seek stability from: formerly Christian Europe and America.
The reality is that after WWII and in the middle of the Cold War there was no real opposition to Soviet Jewry emigrating to the West. It did not require the sweeping destruction of the 1924 and 1952 immigration acts which have now destroyed the American majority and put the future of the country in doubt: no one wants to live in Brazil with Nukes. Even the assimilated Jews of the American Right understand that, but 50 years later, it’s almost impossible now to put the genie back in the bottle. The America that saved the World not once, not twice, but three times is now gone. People whose ancestors were Aztec cannibals are really not someone you expect to see valiantly coming onshore into your country to throw out vicious invaders. Quite the opposite.
But that is the “New America” that was pushed on us by the likes of the ADL, HIAS, SPLC, ACLU, etc etc.
And continues to with their cutouts in the Congress like Schumer, Schiff, Nadler and the other future Yagoda’s of the Left.
So spare me YOUR sweeping generalizations. The bare fact is that Jewish organizations starting with Emma Lazarus and the Society for the Improvement and Colonization of East European Jews to Heidi Beirich and the Southern Poverty Law Center have worked relentlessly to jackhammer open the gates of America to the very people who were our enemies for generations, and whom we are now compelled to call “Americans” but with a name and hyphen prepending that formerly unitary designation.
They aren’t.
And it’s to the disadvantage of immigrant Jews who really were refugees that it has occurred, because the “New Americans” not only never heard of the St. Louis but could care less.
So you have to ask...what’s wrong with the idiots pushing mass immigration? And if they think it will all be to their advantage in the end, ask them about what I just pointed out: when the SHTF again, who ya gonna call? La Policia Federal de Mexico Norte?
“Why yes. From about the time I was a kid in the ‘50s...”
and all this means that the aforementioned wealthy German Jews in the US were not ignoring these desperate people when they weren’t actively opposing their immigration? Can you focus?
“You can be assured that opposition to the St. Louis docking was not inspired by a few assimilated German Jews. It was a political decision only partially inspired by the insularity of the ‘24 Act. “
Which itself was inspired by assimilated German Jews, who didn’t want to be embarrassed by their poor cousins and their ways.
“More then a few people now realize that Roosevelt may have used them as sacrificial lambs to provoke sentiment against Germany which did not exist strongly then.”
1938 was a record year for anti-Semitic violence in the US. Roosevelt didn’t need a reason to exclude them. He was the darling of Jewish voters, but was himself an aristocratic bigot.
Agudas Yisrael did have a demonstration and lobbying effort for a relaxation of immigration quotas and refugee criteria, but they were turned away at the recommendation of one of Roosevelt’s assimilationist aides.
Bottom line. Leftists then and now are crazy for immigration, but they’ve jumped the shark. Many leftists were and are Jews, but that does not add up to Jews prior to and after WW II pushing for more immigration.
Immediately after WW II, Jews in Europe were either dead, in DP camps, being sneaked past the British blockade into the Mandate, or in Russia. Some made it to America. But Jews in America were ambivalent at best to immigration. They had either dreaded the huge wave from earlier, or had come out of that wave and moved on up from Hester Street to The Bronx or even Long Island or Westchester. In turn, they were hostile to more immigration, being unsure of their place. If they were pushing for more immigration, they did a piss poor job of it, since the laws remained the same until 1965.
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