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Trump impeachment: White House aides can be made to testify
bbc.com ^ | November 26, 2019 | BBC

Posted on 11/25/2019 10:46:25 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper

A federal judge has ruled that White House staff can be made to testify before Congress, rejecting the Trump administration's claims of immunity.

The ruling specifically compels former White House counsel Don McGahn to testify in the inquiry into Russian interference in the 2016 US election.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: clownbammyjudge; districtofcolumbia; donmcgahn; eussrtroll; fakenews; judiciary; ketanjibrownjackson; mcgahn; obamajudge; politicaljudiciary; tds; witchhunt
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To: Berlin_Freeper

If YOU had donated to FR,you would know that there is an option to donate anonymously. Some of us use it to avoid tit4tat bullschiff with leftist trolls like you.


21 posted on 11/25/2019 11:33:04 PM PST by SanchoP (Yippy,the next generation search engine.)
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To: kiryandil

We can only imagine what they talk about? The hardest part for me would be the hypocrisy. Their support for all things Leftist, yet living in most insulated and homogeneous areas around.


22 posted on 11/25/2019 11:35:07 PM PST by qaz123
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To: lewislynn; oldenuff35; Berlin_Freeper
You really deflated his pro-European excitement on this.

I wasn't going to say it.

23 posted on 11/25/2019 11:35:56 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (BLACK LIVES MAGA)
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To: Jeff Chandler

I am pro-African.


24 posted on 11/25/2019 11:38:14 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: qaz123
Their support for all things Leftist, yet living in most insulated and homogeneous areas around.

Yes. These vacation homes ARE in the "most insulated and homogeneous areas around".

ZERO Dindus.

25 posted on 11/25/2019 11:38:24 PM PST by kiryandil (Chris Wallace: Because someone has to drive the Clown Car)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Good. Africa needs all the support it can get.


26 posted on 11/25/2019 11:40:56 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (BLACK LIVES MAGA)
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To: SanchoP
If YOU had donated to FR,you would know that there is an option to donate anonymously. Some of us use it to avoid tit4tat bullschiff with leftist trolls like you.
The problem you have with that is, I am the one being trolled and we are posting anonymously so why wouldn't someone simple say "I have donated money to FR"?
27 posted on 11/25/2019 11:41:15 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Because it’s none of your business,dumbass.


28 posted on 11/25/2019 11:43:56 PM PST by SanchoP (Yippy,the next generation search engine.)
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To: SanchoP

It is my business when someone who doesn’t donate a single dollar to FR in 20+ years uses the forum to create a mob of trolls (like you dumbass) to harass me just because I posted an article.


29 posted on 11/25/2019 11:46:23 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: SanchoP

Excuse, I have to go out now and earn money to donate - so the parasites can be abusive here.


30 posted on 11/25/2019 11:50:22 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

You can pull in the hook now. We’re done here.


31 posted on 11/25/2019 11:50:31 PM PST by SanchoP (Yippy,the next generation search engine.)
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To: Jonty30

It’s one thing to claim executive privilege. A Fifth Amendment plea by a public employee in the Trump administration, on the other hand, is a terrible idea because it’s basically an open admission of criminal conduct.


32 posted on 11/26/2019 12:00:03 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: Berlin_Freeper

HJC -vs- White House – Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson Predictably Rules White House Counsel Don McGahn Must Testify….

Posted on  by 

This decision (full pdf below) was easily predicted for the past several weeks.  The HJC -vs- White House case for McGahn testimony will be appealed and join the HJC -vs- White House case surrounding grand jury information in the DC appellate court.

WASHINGTON — A federal judge ruled late Monday that former White House counsel Don McGahn must obey a subpoena for his testimony issued by the House Judiciary Committee.

Federal District Court Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson [pictured right] said McGahn must appear before Congress but retains the ability to “invoke executive privilege where appropriate” during his appearance. The judge did not put her own ruling on hold, but the Trump administration will likely seek one to put the effect of her ruling on hold while it pursues an appeal. (link)

Nancy Pelosi and House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler need a full House impeachment authorization vote to try and overcome the current obstacles they are facing.  The authority for the House Judiciary Committee (HJC) to penetrate the constitutional firewall that protects the separation of power in the main issue; but there are other structural/legal issues that also exist.

Here’s the McGahn ruling that will most certainly go to the appeals court next:

View this document on Scribd

Any loss in three currently pending cases will undermine the validity of the prior impeachment inquiry…. that’s obviously an issue.   There are three cases, each of them appears heading to the Supreme Court; one is already there.

♦ The first case is the House Oversight Committee effort to gain President Trumps’ tax returns as part of their impeachment ‘inquiry’ and oversight.  That case is currently on-hold (10-day stay) in the Supreme Court.  Written briefs soon, arguments perhaps in early December? Outcome pending.  There is a very strong probability Pelosi will lose this case because Oversight doesn’t have jurisdiction and the case began back in February.

Chief Justice John G. Roberts, Jr. granted the administration’s request to stay the federal appeals court ruling against Mr. Trump until “further order” — for now — as the high court decides whether or not to hear the president’s challenge.

[…] Douglas Letter, general counsel for the House Committee on Oversight and Reform, had sent a letter to the court, agreeing to a brief 10-day stay while the parties filed their court papers debating the need for an injunction while the case is being considered.  (link)

Probability of loss to Pelosi 90%.

♦ The second case is the House Judiciary Committee (HJC) effort to gain the grand jury information from the Mueller investigation.  The decision by DC Judge Beryl Howell was  stayed by a three member DC Appellate court.  Oral arguments were November 12th, the decision is pending. [Depending on outcome, the case could will also go to SCOTUS]

[…] the appeals court in a brief order said it would not immediately release the documents “pending further order of the court.” The court also asked the House and the Justice Department for more briefings and set a Jan. 3 date for another hearing.  (link)

Probability of SCOTUS 100%

♦ The third case is the HJC effort to force the testimony of former White House legal counsel Don McGahn.  Issue: subpoena validity.  The HJC asked for an expedited rulingJudge Ketanji Brown Jackson delivered her ruling November 25th.:

Federal District Court Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson said McGahn must appear before Congress but retains the ability to “invoke executive privilege where appropriate” during his appearance. The judge did not put her own ruling on hold, but the Trump administration will likely seek one to put the effect of her ruling on hold while it pursues an appeal. (link)

Probability Appeal 100% – Probability SCOTUS 90%

Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler and Lawfare are hoping a full House vote to authorize impeachment will help them retroactively in any judicial decision (court, appeals or SCOTUS).  The only case where that seems possible is the last one; and that has a long way to reach SCOTUS.

Remember, the Supreme Court has not yet ruled on any ancillary case that touches upon the validity of the unilaterally declared House impeachment process.  The Supreme Court has not ruled on any case that touches the impeachment “inquiry”.

The issue at stake is whether the legislative branch can penetrate the constitutional firewall which exists within the separation of powers.

If the House loses the Tax case in SCOTUS (likely), and/or either HJC case in appeals or SCOTUS it will mean there was no constitutional foundation for the “impeachment inquiry” upon which they have built their legal arguments.

Without the constitutional recognition of the judicial branch Pelosi and Schiff’s HPSCI status as a constitutional impeachment process would be fatally flawed. The product from all of that effort could be considered invalid; and possibly the Senate could ignore any House impeachment vote that uses invalid evidence gathered in the fatally flawed process.

Pelosi and Schiff are racing the SCOTUS for their legal foundation; and simultaneously facing the IG FISA report release which will likely challenge the foundation of their narrative.

 

33 posted on 11/26/2019 12:14:59 AM PST by Bratch (IF YOU HAVE SELFISH IGNORANT CITIZENS, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE SELFISH IGNORANT LEADERS-George Carlin)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
The Department of Justice says it will appeal the ruling.

Almost automatic these days.

34 posted on 11/26/2019 12:41:22 AM PST by McGruff (Does no one is above the law apply to Democrats?)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
But in her ruling, US District Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson said that "no one is above the law".

Hmm, the same words Nancy Pelosi used on this subject.

35 posted on 11/26/2019 12:43:06 AM PST by McGruff (Does no one is above the law apply to Democrats?)
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To: Alberta's Child

No. It is an admission of nothing. If the person choose to testify,he could find himself going to prison for life over procedural crimes, like Roger Stone.


36 posted on 11/26/2019 12:55:02 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death by cultsther)
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To: Jonty30

Think about it. A person employed by the U.S. taxpayer who pleads the Fifth in a matter related to his work has effectively disqualified himself from his job. Pleading the Fifth is the equivalent of refusing to cooperate in your own background check.


37 posted on 11/26/2019 1:02:14 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: Alberta's Child

Your rights don’t stop because you work for the government. It is up to the state to prove its case.

Flynn cooperated with the state and it cost him about a million dollars to avoid a life sentence, even though he was completely exonerated after the trial. The Democrats have gone 100% Soviet and are not the least bit concerned about anything, but getting them.


38 posted on 11/26/2019 1:14:03 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death by cultsther)
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To: Jonty30
First of all, Flynn has not been exonerated (yet) ... and he never went to trial in the first place. He entered a guilty plea to AVOID a trial.

Secondly, I agree with you 100% about the danger of the process. But that actually makes the case against taking a Federal job in the first place.

Keep in mind that pleading the Fifth doesn’t mean you don’t have to testify. It just means that you can be compelled to testify after you’ve been given immunity against criminal charges. So you still face the prospect of a rigged political/legal process anyway. Oliver North is a better example than Flynn in this regard ... because that is exactly what happened to him.

39 posted on 11/26/2019 1:22:38 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: Bratch

December 9th is coming.

I sure hope it’s not a nothing burger.


40 posted on 11/26/2019 2:10:24 AM PST by sauropod (I am His and He is mine)
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