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Supreme Court weighs lawsuit pitting climate scientist against skeptics
The Hill ^ | 11 21 2019 | John Kruzel

Posted on 11/21/2019 4:00:35 AM PST by yesthatjallen

The Supreme Court on Friday will consider whether to take up a prominent climatologist's defamation suit against a venerated conservative magazine, in a case that pits climate scientists against the free speech rights of global warming skeptics.

The dispute between scientist Michael Mann and the National Review has drawn attention from lawmakers, interest groups, academics and media, as the court weighs adding a potentially blockbuster First Amendment showdown to an already politically charged docket.

Scientists hail Mann’s lawsuit as a necessary defense against efforts to erode public confidence in the scientific consensus that climate change is an urgent threat, while free speech advocates have rallied around the iconic conservative publication.

The case has made for strange bedfellows, with the National Review receiving backing from the Center for Investigative Reporting, which has produced award-winning coverage of climate change; Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.); The Washington Post; and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).

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KEYWORDS: climatechange; defamation; freespeech; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; globalwarmingscare; hockeystick; judiciary; junkscience; mann; marksteyn; michaelmann; science; scotus; speech; supremecourt
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If you have a serious interest in global warming fraud read the full article.

This is also a make or break libel and defamation ruling.

1 posted on 11/21/2019 4:00:35 AM PST by yesthatjallen
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To: yesthatjallen

It’s ludicrous that the SCOTUS would even consider tasking a case like that.

Democrats and liberals simply put, want to force everyone to comply with their ideas of how life should be and they are willing to use the force of law (IOW, the government) and threats of jail time and fines to accomplish it.

They want to make everything they disagree with illegal.

Little tyrants, all.


2 posted on 11/21/2019 4:10:04 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: yesthatjallen

I think I have a mancrush on “the EIB’s undocumented immigrant”. :)


3 posted on 11/21/2019 4:11:01 AM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: yesthatjallen

National Review gets grief, some of it justified, from around here. But in this they are on the side of the angels.

Mr. Mann is suing NR for publishing what was clearly marked as opinion. They did not make a traditionally libelous claim of fact, they merely stated that, in their opinion, they thought Mann was cooking the books. Mann and the “climate change” crowd want the right to shut up their opponents.


4 posted on 11/21/2019 4:11:11 AM PST by drop 50 and fire for effect ("Work relentlessly, accomplish much, remain in the background, and be more than you seem.")
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To: yesthatjallen

Mann is still in action? They just won’t go away will they?


5 posted on 11/21/2019 4:17:14 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: yesthatjallen

This douche just had a libel case dismissed in Canada because he failed to produce his raw data from his debunked Hockey stick graph. Seems I remember he had to pick up a sizeable tab of the court costs. I guess he is back, hopefully for another beat down.


6 posted on 11/21/2019 4:19:49 AM PST by DAC21 ( and Naflet)
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To: yesthatjallen

There is no consensus. That is a lie.

https://cei.org/sites/default/files/IQA_NASA_97_Percent_Final.pdf


7 posted on 11/21/2019 4:19:53 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party is now a hate-group)
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To: yesthatjallen

I think fake-hockey-stick Mann ultimately lost his cases in Canada did he not? Was he not going after Mark Stein and others?


8 posted on 11/21/2019 4:20:25 AM PST by tinyowl
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To: yesthatjallen

Mann in the slow motion process of losing a defamation lawsuit against Mark Steyn. Mann is a persistent troublesome idiot.

A couple of worthwhile items on the subject.

Michael E Mann, Loser and Liar ...and Scofflaw and Deadbeat?
https://www.steynonline.com/9762/michael-e-mann-loser-and-liar-and-scofflaw

The legacy of Climategate: 5 years later
https://judithcurry.com/2014/12/01/the-legacy-of-climategate-5-years-later/


9 posted on 11/21/2019 4:20:35 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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Didn't Mann get shot out of the saddle, last week, for a libel suit in Canada, because he refused to release the raw data?

UPDATE – Dr. Tim Ball wins @MichaelEMann lawsuit – Mann “hides the decline” AGAIN...https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/08/22/breaking-dr-tim-ball-wins-michaelemann-lawsuit-mann-has-to-pay/

There is ordinary stupid, and there is Leftist Stupid.

10 posted on 11/21/2019 4:21:08 AM PST by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: yesthatjallen

Next up: Flat Earther’s vs Globalists.


11 posted on 11/21/2019 4:21:47 AM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: drop 50 and fire for effect

Even the Washington Post and the ACLU see the slippery slope.


12 posted on 11/21/2019 4:22:29 AM PST by yesthatjallen
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To: yesthatjallen
The article is heavily biased. Take, for instance, the statement: "Scientists hail Mann’s lawsuit as a necessary defense against efforts to erode public confidence in the scientific consensus that climate change is an urgent threat". For starters, "scientific consensus" is anathema to true scientists. There is no such thing as consensus in real science. In more than one instance over the centuries, science has been turned on its ear because a single scientist conducting a documented, repeatable experiment which proved the so-called "consensus" was wrong. There is no such thing as consensus in the true Scientific Method.

The article additionally completely ignored that Mann recently lost a similar case in Canada. Mann was not only declared wrong, he was ordered to pay the legal expenses of the winner. Either the author was too biased to include this, or he was so ignorant of the facts that he didn't even know it. Neither alternative suggests anything but fake news.

13 posted on 11/21/2019 4:23:58 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Calm down and enjoy the ride, great things are happening for our country)
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The Michael Mann that did the "fake Hockey Stick" graph?

He should lay low and let it be, not going to end well for him.

14 posted on 11/21/2019 4:24:18 AM PST by TruthWillWin
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Oh, and this is a great little video on data presentation manipulation.

My Gift To Climate Alarmists
https://youtu.be/rvrsA0XlYGg


15 posted on 11/21/2019 4:26:13 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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If it were truly science the facts would speak for themselves. You wouldn’t need “confidence” in the results. However, if you’re running a scam then you need to dupe the target(s) and their confidence in you is a big part of that. To me the entire lawsuit is a tacit admission the whole global warming thing is a scam.


16 posted on 11/21/2019 4:26:33 AM PST by ThunderSleeps ( Be ready!)
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To: drop 50 and fire for effect

The good news is that Mann has already lost a defamation suit in Canada. A big factor in that case was his refusal to release the data supporting his “scientific” findings. That pretty much made it a default judgement for the opposing party in the suit.


17 posted on 11/21/2019 4:35:12 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: norwaypinesavage

The 97% Consensus was created by throwing out the majority of climate science that did not take a position in support or against man-made climate change.

Only 0.5% of papers written at the time supported NASA’s man-made climate position.


18 posted on 11/21/2019 4:39:02 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party is now a hate-group)
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To: yesthatjallen
"...in a case that pits climate scientists against the free speech rights of global warming skeptics..."

In cases of libel, there was once a time when the truth was an absolute defense...then the Left decided to make the truth whatever they wanted it to be, and in the court, that trumps real truth.

19 posted on 11/21/2019 4:39:22 AM PST by rlmorel (Finding middle ground with tyranny or evil makes you either a tyrant or evil. Often both.)
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21 Nov: Townhall: Climategate + 10: Free Speech on Trial
by Steve Milloy
In October 2012, lead author of the 1998 hockey stick paper, Michael E. Mann, sued the National Review and Competitive Enterprise Institute for libel in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia...
The good news is that, although news outlets like the Washington Post and Associated Press tend to bat for climate alarmism in their reporting, in the case of Michael Mann vs. Free Speech, they and 15 other news outlets have come to the side of free speech...

There’s a lot at stake for everyone. If this Jarndyce vs. Jarndyce litigation marathon ever makes it out of the Washington, DC court system, the US Supreme Court will likely have the last word.
https://townhall.com/columnists/stevemilloy/2019/11/21/climategate—10-free-speech-on-trial-n2556789


20 posted on 11/21/2019 4:43:13 AM PST by MAGAthon
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