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Safety Concerns for Hybrid & Electric Ships
Sterling PBES Energy Solution ^ | 10-25-2019 | Brent Perry and Grant Brown

Posted on 10/27/2019 12:13:02 PM PDT by Oatka

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To: BobL

“I wouldn’t be too crazy riding along with several thousand tons of LNG either.”

LNG like all petroleum fuels requires oxygen (air) to combust. LNG is safe unless it escapes its containers, mixes with air, and is ignited by something.

The LI-ION batteries are self contained explosives or at least flammables.


41 posted on 10/27/2019 3:16:39 PM PDT by cymbeline
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To: cymbeline

The problem with LNG is keeping it cold. You get a power failure and it will vent, then all you need is a combustion source...otherwise I agree it’s as safe as any other carbon fuel. Agree on the batteries, they’re willing to blow all on their own!


42 posted on 10/27/2019 3:18:39 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't te Don'tll anyone.)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf
When the battery “dies” it is NOT dead. It merely lacks the voltage to do its job. When improperly collected, the voltage increases times the number of batteries.

Our scavenger service has recycling services for garbage pickup. We're told to tape the ends of batteries, place them in a clear plastic container bag and put them on top of one of our recycle bins (we put out three different bins each week). No one I know bothers to tape the ends; I never do. The clear bag can have a mix of alkaline, nimh, and lithium batteries. I wonder if the scavenger workers ever have incidents of fires from these batteries that are collected.

43 posted on 10/27/2019 3:52:33 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: DUMBGRUNT

“Unlike applying brakes on a car with regenerative braking when needing to slow down, this is like driving with a foot on the brake all the time to regen the battery.”

Obviously you have little knowledge of sailing.


44 posted on 10/27/2019 4:06:50 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Vermont Lt

“How does a water driven generator work? Dropped alongside when under wind power?”

One type is stern mounted on a Tilting mount like an outboard motor.


45 posted on 10/27/2019 4:08:37 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: cymbeline

“The LI-ION batteries are self contained explosives or at least flammables.”

They burn without oxygen. Well, beam me up!


46 posted on 10/27/2019 4:10:46 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: wattojawa
Ping
47 posted on 10/27/2019 4:54:19 PM PDT by lightman (Byzantine Troparia: The "praise choruses" of antiquity.)
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To: TexasGator

One kilo, or thousand watts used or produced for an hour. An all frills american house runs about 5 kilowatt hour at peak, a refrigerator uses about a half a kilowatt, a light bulb about 20 watts..

So they bought a hundred houses worth of solar to play with.

Or looked at another way a hundred houses worth of solar was taken from citizens so they could play green weenie.

Stupid.


48 posted on 10/27/2019 5:21:49 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel
"One kilo, or thousand watts used or produced for an hour. An all frills american house runs about 5 kilowatt hour at peak, a refrigerator uses about a half a kilowatt, a light bulb about 20 watts.."

An all frills american house runs about 5 kilowatt hour at peak,

49 posted on 10/27/2019 5:32:36 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: DoughtyOne
I agree. We don't need to condemn things because they tend to be left wing ideas. There is nothing wrong with electric cars ships airplanes...whatever. It just takes trial and error to perfect them.
50 posted on 10/28/2019 1:27:42 AM PDT by Saruthe
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To: BobL
It seems to me to be more of a gimmick than even replacing buses with trains.

It makes a lot of sense to me. Diesel electric engines have been used on locomotives for decades. I would imagine it would allow you to run your diesel engines at their optimal power/fuel values pretty much continually, and use the electrics for any changes in power output you actually need to apply to the screws. I would imagine that such changes in power usage would be pretty low on a ship making a long cruise, but I don't know enough about how modern ships function to be able to say one way or another. If the freaking greenies weren't so down on diesel, I would imagine you'd see d/e power being used in more places. Hybrid tech can make a lot of sense, but you have to actually approach it as an engineering problem, not as a religious one, like "environmentalists" do. Most ideas that come out of the environmental movement are unworkable, stupid and have long term consequences that are never considered.

51 posted on 10/28/2019 7:28:41 AM PDT by zeugma (I sure wish I lived in a country where the rule of law actually applied to those in power.)
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To: Mr. K

Water and Lithium should make for an interesting mix


52 posted on 10/28/2019 7:43:22 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: PGR88

“Water and Lithium should make for an interesting mix”

That’s where the ‘7’ in 7-Up originated!


53 posted on 10/28/2019 7:50:45 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Saruthe

I watch some of the eVehicle YouTube videos. Frankly, the way the Leftists talk about them turns me off something fierce. I’ve quit subscribing to some of the YouTube content creators, the ‘end of planet talk’ gets so bad.

I see electric to be the way to go. It’s not because of the environmental impact, although I don’t mind some of that if it’s discussed and implemented rationally. Aspects of that really do make sense.

In years to come, and not all that long from now, the ranges are going to increase dramatically, and the charge times will be reduced as well.

The issue of toxic composites in the batteries will be addressed also. Some of the technology being discussed today is truly amazing.

If someone had told me even five years ago that aircraft would be possible using batteries, I’d have had some severe doubts. Inroads are being made there also.

Technology has always fascinated me, and I see this as merely a new field of technology that really hits home with me.

I understand people’s love of the internal combustion engine. I can appreciate that.

The IBM i3 is an interesting vehicle. This Autoline After Hours program discusses the reverse engineering done by Monroe and Associates. It’s a very revealing video, at 1:02:00 in length.

In this video it talks of tech, and the incredible lengths they went to in the construction of this vehicle, for weight and efficiency.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDr4L6BzpP8


54 posted on 10/28/2019 11:19:03 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (This space for rent.)
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To: humblegunner
Got this in an email
[Self-portrait of HG]

By what process, other than the voices in your head, do you come to consider that this is a blog pimp?

Please show us where else the link to this business was shown?

How long have you been afflicted with BPDS? (Blog Pimp Derangement Syndrome)

55 posted on 10/28/2019 7:56:32 PM PDT by Oatka
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To: Oatka

Show me where I said anything about blogs or pimps.


56 posted on 10/28/2019 9:56:37 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
Show me where I said anything about blogs or pimps.

You used the same photo that I use to needle you when you post your anti-blog-pimp snarks, so what was I to think?

57 posted on 10/30/2019 6:22:47 PM PDT by Oatka
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