Btw, this is billy bunter - books I grew up reading. Fun books. Whoddathunk the English would end up getting Billy Bunter as PM!
Posted on 10/20/2019 5:39:23 AM PDT by FRinCanada2
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kdDdMl55c7Q
UK PM Boris Johnson sends UNsigned letter to EU asking for delay. Followed by a SIGNED letter asking the EU to NOT approve the DELAY requested in the unsigned letter.
1. Remember, even in the advisory referendum 3 years ago, only 52% of those voting, voted leave. Hardly “the people “.
2. The people never voted in Boris as PM. The last general election gave Theresa a less than majority.
3. The prime ministerial office sent a letter. The second is a personal letter. Its political theater
What are you talking about?
The UK could have left on March 29, this year, but the British have asked twice for an extension and now is the third time.
The EU is a confederation, the executive of which are the heads of government.
If the office of PM requests an extension, the other leaders listen to it.
its boris trying to squirm out of his “I will not request an extension “
Yet, boris just did request an extension.
They will simply say “didn’t you mean to sign this?” and return it back
Or, they can take it as the official letter from the Prime Minister’s office — which it is.
Either Boris should refuse to send it or he should send it - he’s taken the weasel way out.
False analogy — I’d suggest reading the UK government set-up. Power to the government flows from Parliament. Parliament is sovereign.
If Parliament decides to say something and votes a majority, then the government is obliged to do this.
The “will of 52% of the British electorate” is decided during general elections.
There is a slim majority for a kind of Brexit, but many have the idea of a Norway style Brexit - as the LEAVE campaign talked about in 2016
Here's Nigel Farage saying "wouldn't it be terrible if we were like Norway and Switzerland"
err.. hint - he wants the UK to be like Norway, which
So the leave campaign said they wanted a DEAL, not a no-deal.
Technically, Boris agreeing to a deal that keeps the Irish border open IS “real progress” wouldn’t you say?
you are leaving a club - you are requesting certain conditions from the club — do you get a vote on whether you are leaving or not?
> Technically, Boris agreeing to a deal that keeps the Irish border open IS “real progress” wouldn’t you say?
To some degree, yes. however, it is not the type of progress that i imagine the EU would nominally require or be able to use since the Boris deal was not approved by Parliament without riders which reinstated delays and/or EU sovereignty.
I wonder if Boris had all this worked out in advance and is actually performing a political bank shot with the goal of obtaining a hard brexit.
The statement was “real progress” — Boris agreeing to listen to the will of the Northern Irish and keep Northern Ireland in the UK but part of the customs union WAS real progress.
The Irish border was the ONLY part of the deal that was opposed by parliament.
maybe what frincanada2 actually meant was a request of debatable legality/veracity (?)
a document can, imaginably (to me), be non-legal (eg, unsigned) without being illegal (fraudulent, forged, in bad faith, libelous, etc.)
standard disclaimer: i am not a lawyer
You overestimate Boris - he has never shown any sign of tactical or strategic capability in his long, long years in the limelight. His act has been more "shoot over someone's shoulder and deny, deny, deny"
I can’t mind-read. What was written was that this was an “illegal request”
since boris requested it, my question to the poster was whether he thought Boris did something illegal or not?
The letter was still a formal request from the office of Prime Minister. IF you put Boris under oath and say “did you send a letter requesting an extension? No ifs and buts”, the answer should be “yes I did send it”
That’s it - he’s trying to squirm out of his earlier statement that he wouldn’t send such a letter.
Boris’ entire lifetime has been spent squirming out of stuff. He’s like billy Bunter
Btw, this is billy bunter - books I grew up reading. Fun books. Whoddathunk the English would end up getting Billy Bunter as PM!
aha... maybe what was meant was (speculatively) that the letter is illegal by the benn act, which (under one hypothetical interpretation) might have required a *signed* letter while the only letter that boris sent was *unsigned* and therefore an implied violation of the benn act.
standard disclaimer: i am not a barrister
So then is he saying Boris committed an illegal act?
i am not certain exactly what he is saying. i was just making a couple of uneducated wild guesses.
My use of the term “Illegal” is a reference to my anology a check being processed by a bank AFTER the bank has been notified that they he check it self was written under duress and is unsigned. Furthermore, If a bank knowing processes a check that is unsigned and written under duress especially when that check is accompanied by a signed letter to the bank demanding that the unsigned check be ignored and NOT cashed.
I believe that a bank who knowing and willing cashes an unsigned check is committing a crime/theft from the check writter. If the paraliment believe THEY have check writing authority they CAN sign their own letter to EU ?
I believe that the EU would be knowingly and willingly committing a crime/theft if the EU votes to “cash an unsigned check” clearly written under duress.
If the UK paraliment believe THEY have check writing authority they CAN sign their own letter to EU —- agreed?
If he vote count that resulted in the PM being forced letter to EU was 322 to 316. Hardly a super majority that would be required to override a Presidential VETO under US law. This is precisely the reason the VETO authority exists and deference given to the executive branch in matter of simple majority. A VETO override SHOULD require 2/3 vote in order to not have your President/PM look like an idiot puppet on the world stage and undermine their credibility and authority during negotiations with foreign governments.
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