Posted on 10/10/2019 5:31:29 AM PDT by marktwain
On 16 September 2019, Chris Gregersen and Donivan Cambell were bow hunting elk in Montana, in the Gravelly Mountains, when they were attacked by a grizzly bear. They had gone out for an afternoon hunt, and had hunted up steep drainage, climbed the opposite slope, and had been calling for elk on the opposite side of the ridge with a bugle call.
They were returning to their truck and camp. They stopped calling on the top of the ridge, crested the ridge, and were on a steep downward slope, moving toward the creek at the bottom, on an old game trail. There was no cell service in the area.
The weather was clear, in the 50s, with a slight breeze. It was 6:30 p.m. The sun was low in the sky. They wanted to get back before dark.
In addition to their archery equipment, both men had 9 mm pistols. Chris Gregersen had a Glock 43. Donivan Campbell had a Sig Sauer P320. Both guns were loaded with full metal jacketed (FMJ) cartridges.
Chris said he carried the Glock 43 because it was small enough to be taken every day.
Both men are professional biologists, with degrees in wildlife ecology, working in their chosen field. They are familiar with bears and bear behavior. They live and work in Washington State. They are both longtime hunters and fishermen. They are proficient woodsmen.
(Excerpt) Read more at ammoland.com ...
From that article:
“Chris believes it was probably the same bear. He thinks the bear spray used in the attack 11 hours and less than a mile away, likely aggravated the second attack.”
I re-read the article and as best I can tell, thats the first mention of a an earlier bear attack in the area. A little confusing.
I’ve shot a Glock 18. That is fun, right there.
I posted about it before I read your post about hard-cast...
FMJ penetrates nearly as well as hard-cast.
Hard-cast does better because of heavier bullets used.
FMJ 147 gr penetrates about 40 - 50 inches of gel.
They were probably using 124 gr.
124 gr FMJ at 1200 penetrates about 24 inches of gel, as I recall.
Beretta 93R. The preferred weapon of Mack Bolan. IIRC, he carried two, suppressed. 8~)
My parents rented a small home to a wildlife biologist. They live a most interesting solitary life, full of page-turning adventure. Like leg-snarling adult grizzlies for tagging.
.. Just bought a quick clot kit for my upcoming Elk hunt. “
Be careful with QuickClot. My son was an air base Fire/ EMT in Iraq. They had to be very careful using it, because if the QC is inhaled it will close up your lungs and kill you.
That’s No “Legend!”
There is a great bear-attack scene in the movie Revenant. It prolly accurately conveys the speed at which a bear attack can occur. Shocking! 2-3 seconds if lucky!
Thanks for that tip.
Bella Twin
Was Her Name.
Hair gets pushed into the holes. It’s a limiting factor in penetration.
I saw that movie! It was a brutal scene and it happened fast.
To the contrary, I meant to hold it up as an example of something exceptional that neither you nor I nor any other mortal would ever pull off without divine intervention, which probably was involved in her case too.
Hence, her story is now legend, and not a fairy tale nor a semantic point. :)
Agreed,
The Photos of
Her are Amazing!
Even the largest caliber conventional handguns are generally inadequate for stopping threatening critters, two or four legged.
Carrying something is better than nothing. The bows and arrows are much more effective at killing, but the carry 9s are accessible and useful....
I built a 450 Bushmaster AR 10.5 inch pistol. 14 rounds of 300 grn 45s at 1400fps ought to be about right.
https://www.ammoland.com/2019/08/handgun-or-pistol-defense-against-bear-attack-73-cases-96-effective/
Data on calibers from .22 to .460 S&W magnum.
Fortunately, for me, it's mostly for academic interest only, however, my wife and I do visit the mountains of New Mexico every few years, so maybe not.
My own inclination would be to carry the handgun in the most powerful caliber I own, which as of right now would be a .357.
Maybe someday I'll need a big bore...
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