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Where does Mexico really get its guns?
Fox News ^ | October 1, 2019 | Hollie McKay

Posted on 10/01/2019 4:31:38 PM PDT by Navy Patriot

Tucked inside a narrow wedge of a traditional open-air market is one of Mexico’s most dangerous black market operations. It’s known as the Tepito.

It’s a barrio where even the police mostly remain outside. Inside, it’s under the tightly controlled thumb of the Union de Tepito, otherwise known as the Union Cartel – one of the capital city’s most violent and well-financed criminal players.

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And, the ATF itself became a contentious piece of that puzzle between 2009 and 2011 in what became known as “Operation Fast and Furious,” when the ATF’s Phoenix Field Division allowed illegal gun sales in order to track the sellers and purchasers who were believed to be linked to Mexican drug cartels. In 2010, two of the weapons issued in the operation turned up at the murder scene of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2deadfeds; 300deadmexicans; atf; banglist; bp; brianterry; cia; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; hsi; ice; jaimezapata; obama; terry; zapata
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1 posted on 10/01/2019 4:31:38 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: Navy Patriot

The guns that went to Mehi-Co. narcoterrorists wouldn’t have gotten there if Holder hadn’t forced the sales to go through. They failed the check but the Left wants gun deaths so they can “toughen gun laws” Americans have to live under.


2 posted on 10/01/2019 4:34:54 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Committee)
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To: Navy Patriot

Holder should be facing murder charges as an accomplice in these crimes.


3 posted on 10/01/2019 4:35:33 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Committee)
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To: a fool in paradise

Extradition south might be in order upon Mexican request.

Hopefully Trump needs to congratulate the Mexican President.


4 posted on 10/01/2019 4:44:13 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Brian Griffin

There are dead Americans from Holder’s crime. We can try the case here.


5 posted on 10/01/2019 4:49:14 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Committee)
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To: Navy Patriot

Good read, even though long.

A Mexican Presidential candidate needs to run on the issue of letting the US military come in and kill, yes: kill, the cartels and give the cartels’ money to the Mex government.

At US expense (well, give us 20% of the funds confiscated.).


6 posted on 10/01/2019 4:51:13 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: Navy Patriot

I hope that guy burns in Hell. For anyone interested, he also forbid Michael Horowitz to investigate anything related to F&F which is why Horowitz went to Congress to get the powers of the IG’s office strengthened, but it was too late to stop the criminals Holder and Obama.


7 posted on 10/01/2019 4:57:52 PM PDT by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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To: Navy Patriot
Where does the Cartels get all of their automatic AK-47s and other fully automatic weapons?
8 posted on 10/01/2019 5:03:06 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: vetvetdoug
Kalashnikov factory in Venezuela could be a prime supplier.

AK47 factory

9 posted on 10/01/2019 5:07:21 PM PDT by redcatcherb412
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To: Navy Patriot
The common estimation among officials has been that some 90 percent of guns in Mexico stemmed from the U.S., but such a figure would be ripe for dispute.

Overly ripe.

Mexico's Gun Supply and the 90 Percent Myth

As we discussed in a previous analysis, the 90 percent number was derived from a June 2009 U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) report to Congress on U.S. efforts to combat arms trafficking to Mexico (see external link).

According to the GAO report, some 30,000 firearms were seized from criminals by Mexican authorities in 2008. Of these 30,000 firearms, information pertaining to 7,200 of them (24 percent) was submitted to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) for tracing. Of these 7,200 guns, only about 4,000 could be traced by the ATF, and of these 4,000, some 3,480 (87 percent) were shown to have come from the United States.

This means that the 87 percent figure relates to the number of weapons submitted by the Mexican government to the ATF that could be successfully traced are not from the total number of weapons seized by Mexican authorities or even from the total number of weapons submitted to the ATF for tracing. In fact, the 3,480 guns positively traced to the United States equals less than 12 percent of the total arms seized in Mexico in 2008 and less than 48 percent of all those submitted by the Mexican government to the ATF for tracing. This means that almost 90 percent of the guns seized in Mexico in 2008 were not traced back to the United States.


10 posted on 10/01/2019 5:08:11 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: vetvetdoug

Where does the Cartels get all of their automatic AK-47s and other fully automatic weapons?


Central and South America where they get most of the rest of their guns. It’s a myth that most come from the U.S., it’s much easier to bring them in from the south than it is the U.S.


11 posted on 10/01/2019 5:12:59 PM PDT by GaryCrow
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To: vetvetdoug

Using money from US drug users, wherever they want.


12 posted on 10/01/2019 5:17:16 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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The article gives a similar answer ...

“Most cartels buy in bulk, and the weapons are coming from places like Nicaragua and other South American countries. Also Asia and some from the Middle East,” a Tijuana-based police authority who requested anonymity explained. “And, another factor is the CNC machines making uppers in clandestine shops in Mexico.”

13 posted on 10/01/2019 5:19:41 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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Also ...

Studies have indicated weapons have been moving increasingly from Colombia, Spain, and Pakistan –

14 posted on 10/01/2019 5:20:48 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: Navy Patriot

That’s what I was going to say.

Eric “Fast and Furious” Holder.


15 posted on 10/01/2019 5:30:34 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: a fool in paradise

So where did the narcoterrorists obtain their South Korean hand grenades also found there.


16 posted on 10/01/2019 5:44:58 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: TigersEye
I remember way back in 1968 when the ATF raided a company in California making unmarked submachine guns for South America. This happened around the same week Bobby Kennedy was murdered. Then under Jimmy Carter, the El Salvadorian army tried to sell the US Mafia thousands of submachine guns. The Recent Presidential Elections in El Salvador, ... https://books.google.com › books United States. Congress. House. Committee on International Relations. Subcommittee on International Organizations - 1977 - ‎El Salvador "As part of this system dominated by the military and the oligarchy, the ... purchase of several thousand machine guns, which according to Rodriguez, were to be used ... Armed Forces but which in fact were destined to be sold to the U.S. Mafia."
17 posted on 10/01/2019 5:51:53 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

When a country is in turmoil a lot of guns get sent there to help them settle their differences. When the troubles settle down they have a lot of guns and find that they’re more useful as mercantile.

That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. :)


18 posted on 10/01/2019 6:05:24 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: vetvetdoug; All

I suspect, though do NOT actually KNOW, that the AKs & AKMs are coming out of Sub-Saharan Africa, where Full-Auto Kalashnikov rifles/carbines are about 30-35.ooUSD each & can be commonly bought for cash (& by the unopened case for even less,) openly in the local markets.
(Many African nations are “awash in” AKs.)

Yours, TMN78247


19 posted on 10/01/2019 7:15:58 PM PDT by TMN78247 ("VICTORY or DEATH", William Barrett Travis, LtCol, comdt., Fortress of the Alamo, Bejar, 1836)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Do you deny that guns from America were traced to Mexico?

That Eric Holder forced sales to go through that should have failed checks (and would’ve been illegal for the seller to complete, straw buyer etc.).

Who gives a flying fuck about grenades?

When was the last grenade bill pushed in Congress?

How many South Korean grenades are being used on our southern border?


20 posted on 10/01/2019 8:06:43 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Committee)
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