Posted on 09/16/2019 1:50:22 PM PDT by mikeIII
Putin offers to sell Saudi Arabia its missile defense systems in the wake of the attack on its oil facilities.
“We are ready to help Saudi Arabia so that she can protect her territory,” he says.
“She can do so in the same way that Iran has already done in buying the S-300 Russian missile system and the same way that Turkey has already done in buying the S-400 Russian missile system,” Putin adds at a press conference in Ankara, alongside the Turkish and Iranian leaders.
The US has blamed Iran for the attack on the Saudi oil facilities.
“” “” But Russia had a fit when we provided a missile defense system for Poland, right???”” “”
Russia had a fit not because US ‘provided’ defense to Poland but because US planned a dual-use missile base in Poland built around mainly offensive technology. If short an INF missile base.
Is it to say Obama’s dollars helped to bring Saudi oil industry down.
Is it to say Obama’s dollars helped to bring Saudi oil industry down.
Trollski
Saudis aren’t going to fire at US aircraft. And the Russkies aren’t about to give the USAF a close up exam of their S400 whivh is what will happen if they were to give them to the Kingdom. I don’t have the slightest idea what Putin is doing. All I know is that a good friend who spent 25 years as a Soviet/Russian/Central Asian analyst with the DIA told me in 2005 “Putin” he said, “ is both evil and insane.”
“” “” Saudis aren’t going to fire at US aircraft. And the Russkies aren’t about to give the USAF a close up exam of their S400 “” “”
It is a commercial technology and constantly updated. What do you think they thought selling it to China and Turkey? Does anyone believe US won’t put hand on anything fielded in Turkey? An idea for Russian MIC now is not to sit on empire of dirt but to move stock and to develop new systems making earlier absolete and sell new ones and on and on.
That’s a competitive advantage over American defence companies who only has the edge for US military.
What if the attack had be on the US, overseas or our homeland? Would the result be the same? While I am positive our troops are more competent, I'm left wondering about the technology.
Yep - heard Joni Mitchell’s voice when i read it....
While Pattons statement about the Russians was probably true, the means for defeating the Russians on a land war did not exist
I learned just recently that more Russians died in the German siege of Leningrad than all Americans killed in all theaters of WW II
Russian post WW II actions were basically defensive in nature. The Russian consensus was “never again”. There will never again be an invasion of the motherland.
To insure that consensus, a buffer strip of Roughly 1,000 miles was established. That buffer was misidentified as the Iron Curtin when in reality it was a defensive moat
same goes for Korea, we need to find a mercenary force
at this point it should be limited to diplomacy and sanctions.
If they hit a US Carrier (or something more) then it's game on, all out annihillation and pray for the innocent victims who get in the way
Putin trolling America
/bingo
And the S-400 won’t stop a US raid, much less Iran’s S-300.
The Russian loss of life.
In ww2...
And, before that in genocides like the holodomor?
How many are we talking about 70 million?
The Russian loss of life.
In ww2...
And, before that in genocides like the holodomor?
How many are we talking about 70 million?
Also, Patton was zotted...
By the Admin Moderator at the time....
You know why? Because that's what Stalin wanted. He hated that city, he saw it as a threat to the Kremlin, the Party Boss of Leningrad was a dead man walking.
“What people are making Iran to be now (tiger) is horribly reminiscent of what they and I!! made Iraq to be to justify killing more American men in the middle east.”
I made the same mistake and regret it now.
Although we are largely energy independent, we still have a strong interest in not letting a single power dominate either the Eurasian landmass (Russia or Germany) or the middle east (today, Iran or Turkey are the only possibilities in that regard.)
In addition, were the Persian gulf closed or much more difficult to ship oil through, we would have another 2008 financial crisis as Japanese, Indian and European banks go down with their nation’s economies. We do not have independence from the international financial system and we do not want a repeat of the Lehman’s crisis. So our independence in energy matters is good. But we are still very vulnerable to the financial crisis that would happen internationally should oil go to $200 a barrel because the Iranian’s closed the gulf.
Finally, the international dominance of the US Dollar depends on Saudi Arabia continuing to require payment in US Dollars for oil. We benefit mightily from the dollar as the international reserve currency. Were that to change because Iran comes to dominate the Saudi peninsula, it would shake our economy far more than the 2008 financial crisis.
All that said, our energy independence gives us some ability to back off from the middle east and play a role more like England did with the continental powers — always support the weaker regional power and weaken the stronger power. Right now, Egypt, Israel, and Saudi Arabia are the weaker regional powers (and the Saudi’s are the lynchpin of the petro dollar) and Iran is the stronger power. For that, we don’t need to shed American blood, absent an extreme situation like, say, an Iranian invasion of Saudi Arabia.
In the meantime, we should be continuing our efforts to lessen our financial system’s vulnerability to European and Japanese banks.
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