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So, since I haven't pieced one together at home, can someone who knows about TX laws tell us, was it legal to assemble and keep in TX? Usually AWR is on top of this but this seems contradictory to me. More like legally made but illegally sold? Anyone?
1 posted on 09/05/2019 10:30:49 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

If you manufacture an 80% lower and assemble it as a weapon you cannot transfer it to anyone. Period. Thats Federal law.


2 posted on 09/05/2019 10:36:05 AM PDT by Kozak (DIVERSITY+PROXIMITY=CONFLICT)
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It’s Federally legal, unless otherwise restricted by state law, to manufacture a semi-auto firearm. Texas has no laws restricting manufacture of a firearm other than you can’t make an improvised firearm out of non-firearm parts.

Federal laws *do* say you can’t make the firearm for sale or distribution, but you can sell it, give it away, etc. later on if the thing was originally intended only for personal use. If you transfer it, you have to put a serial number on it even though you need not put one on at time of manufacture.

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/can-i-sell-or-give-my-homemade-gun-another-person.htm


3 posted on 09/05/2019 10:37:40 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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CRUDE guns are easy to make at home. I have an old article about prisoners behind prison walls making full auto machine guns. Even the cases and magazines were cobbled together in prison.

Anyone remember the old FIREPOWER magazine from the 1980s which showed hot to do such things, and who can forget the ANARCHIST’S COOKBOOK.

Where there is a will, there is a way.


4 posted on 09/05/2019 10:38:30 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: rktman

Ping


6 posted on 09/05/2019 10:41:36 AM PDT by FtrPilot
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To: rktman

This is, apparently, an 80% receiver that was finished out, and then assembled into a firearm. Perfectly legal in TX and many other states.

Federally, you are strongly encouraged to add a serial number of some type, so that the gun can be traced if stolen. Selling it without a manufacturers license from the BATFE will net you a bunch of prison time and some big legal bills.


7 posted on 09/05/2019 10:47:10 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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Waiting to find out if it is a re-import frow fast and furious.


8 posted on 09/05/2019 10:51:46 AM PDT by the_daug
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To: rktman

I can’t help but think that this incident will be used to restrict/eliminate the right to manufacture one’s own firearms. The antis are scared $hitless by the entire concept of untraceable 80% receivers (otherwise known as “paperweights.”

Of course, there’s always the possibility that this was pre-planned to include an 80% receiver, but whether that occurred or not isn’t that important - that “they” are going to be coming for the self-manufacturing of firearms is something that we have to prepare for ASAP.


9 posted on 09/05/2019 10:53:12 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: marktwain

Ping!
We talked about this a couple of weeks ago.
One criminal used a suppressor.
Another used an AR pistol.
Now this?

Three times is enemy action.
/tinfoil hat


13 posted on 09/05/2019 11:00:48 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Fact: Gun control laws kill innocents.)
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“...More like legally made but illegally sold? Anyone? ...”
Exactly. It can be legally made from an 80% lower for personal use only, and then probably illegally sold to the insane POS. And that’s the person who needs to be prosecuted, not the rest of us. IF it was a fully finished lower, it was considered a firearm at the time of sale and went thru the system just like any other completed firearm.
I believe Post #3 is correct. IF the firearm has no serial# or even a crudely stenciled one, the stupid SOB that built and sold it to him should be the one prosecuted. There are Federal requirements in regards to exactly how the serial# is supposed to be as well.


14 posted on 09/05/2019 11:01:16 AM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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“...but it is illegal to sell that gun...”

The land of the free,


15 posted on 09/05/2019 11:03:42 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus mane)
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To: rktman
In this shooting, as in most of the others, something ILLEGAL was violated... simply stated: existing laws were broken... yet the LIBERAL LEFT insists we need MORE laws in order to control "gun violence."

How about simply ENFORCING THE DAMN LAWS THAT ALREADY EXIST!

19 posted on 09/05/2019 11:20:32 AM PDT by VideoDoctor
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“and illegally sold from a man in Lubbock, Texas. “

Don’t they ever proofread?


20 posted on 09/05/2019 11:20:42 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: rktman

So, yet another law broken.

QUICK! PASS MORE LAWS!!!!


22 posted on 09/05/2019 11:21:56 AM PDT by Lazamataz (We can be called a racist and we'll just smile. Because we don't care.)
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To: rktman

you can assemble you own gun out of parts you buy. The lower has the serial number and is considered the “weapon” by ATF.. the rest is just parts.

You do not have to have a lower with a serial number if you are going to use the gun on your own property for your own use.

If you want to sell a gun you have put together, you must have used a serially numbered lower, or applied for the appropriate FFL manufacturers license and applied a serial number to your home made lower before the sale.


32 posted on 09/05/2019 12:43:46 PM PDT by willyd (I for one welcome our NSA overlords)
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To: rktman
NONSENSE. IT IS COMPLETELY LEGAL TO MAKE A GUN IN ONE'S HOME.

In Texas and the other free states.

This is mainstream media LIES.

33 posted on 09/05/2019 12:46:49 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Enjoy the decline of the American empire.)
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To: rktman

Whatever, Murder is already Illegal so everything else regarding this POS is just blather for the Anti Second Amendment Traitors.


35 posted on 09/05/2019 1:22:12 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Democracy, two Wolves and one Sheep deciding what's for Dinner.)
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To: rktman

Criminals will get what they want one way or another. Many of them make synthetic drugs and pills full of synthetic drugs. One way to distract them and detain them from committing mass murders is to bust them for drugs again and again.


37 posted on 09/05/2019 2:24:53 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: rktman

Check this out. Some of you might be surprised.

American Convicted Felon Everyday Carry (EDC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K-vpokw0gU


38 posted on 09/05/2019 2:26:36 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: rktman

Strictly speaking, the firearm was legally made, but selling it was the crime.


39 posted on 09/05/2019 2:36:27 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (We live on a tax farm as free-range humans!)
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To: rktman

Building your own from the 80% lower is still even allowed in California if you can believe that.

The laws did change last year, and I don’t recall the changes but I believe there was a cutoff date to get you home made guns serialized without having to register them. After that date I believe you had to register the lower on an AR-15 and other builds. Also a mag lock is required but entrepreneurs have mitigated that with slick quick releases which videos of can be found on YouTube.


44 posted on 09/05/2019 2:53:22 PM PDT by DAC21
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