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Authorities Suspect Gun Used in Midland Was Illegally Made and Sold
breitbart.com ^ | 9/5/2019 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 09/05/2019 10:30:49 AM PDT by rktman

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To: Spktyr

No, marking requiements, ie. Serial numbers, only apply to licensed manufacturers, at least with regards to Title I guns.


21 posted on 09/05/2019 11:20:52 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going no than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: rktman

So, yet another law broken.

QUICK! PASS MORE LAWS!!!!


22 posted on 09/05/2019 11:21:56 AM PDT by Lazamataz (We can be called a racist and we'll just smile. Because we don't care.)
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To: RandallFlagg

“...Ping! We talked about this a couple of weeks ago.
One criminal used a suppressor.
Another used an AR pistol.
Now this?
Three times is enemy action.
/tinfoil hat...”
I can’t help but agree. Waaay too obvious. We know the communists are scared spitless of the idea of People even having guns in the first place...let alone building their own untraceables. These events could very well be staged to infringe on our rights even more. It would be delicious to find enough solid evidence to prove it though.


23 posted on 09/05/2019 11:24:46 AM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: VideoDoctor

“...How about simply ENFORCING THE DAMN LAWS THAT ALREADY EXIST! ...”
Exactly! However, that doesn’t meet the needs of the communist agenda of disarming the populace. Look at CA: those azzclowns out there acquitted a 5-time deported, illegal alien that outright shot and killed an innocent American citizen. Then their Senator, the vile Botoxian, starts screaming for more gun control laws after this event. The hypocrisy and stupidity of these communists absolutely know no bounds.


24 posted on 09/05/2019 11:31:17 AM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: Kozak

As I recall there was some question about Interstate Commerce. The way the laws were introduced, through regulation of Interstate Commerce were being tested. There was some thought you COULD manufacture to sell just about anything as long it was only for use inside the state of manufacture. IIRC they seriously screwed with someone who was doing this and IIRC he won.


25 posted on 09/05/2019 11:32:31 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: lgjhn23

Not senator, congresswoman...my bad.


26 posted on 09/05/2019 11:32:53 AM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: Ancesthntr

Perhaps true in this particular case but not generally.

What generally happens is that the charge related to unlicensed manufacture is used as a throw-away to pressure the defendant into accepting a plea bargain on the more serious charges that started their being investigated to begin with.

The unlicensed manufacture is a Fed. charge, the Fed’s are not really interested in prosecuting the local dope dealer, child molester, rapist, check kiter, etc.
But the local DA likes using the threat of a Fed. charge to get the defendant to plead out.
Avoiding actual trial seems to be the major effort of DA’s these days.
Maybe because we just have too many laws on the books, maybe because counties don’t want the expense so “Saving the taxpayers money” is now the priority?

Expect this guy to spend about $40K in legal fees and get probation.
All for an AR he maybe made a hundred dollar profit on!


27 posted on 09/05/2019 11:40:50 AM PDT by Ex gun maker. (Unconstitutional "Law" is void from inception.....)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Yes, you can .You cannot, however, make it with the intent to sell it.

Correct. It’s amazing how much disinformation is put out by “the gun community”. Having made several firearms, 80%, from parts kits, and from 4473 acquired receivers, I made it imperative that I was knowledgeable of all state and federal laws. I think a lot of the disinformation comes from “a guy at the gun shop said” sort of stuff. It is perfectly legal to make your own firearms so long as you are not making them for sale. There is also no requirement to serial debt them, although the BATF does “suggest” it as a good idea.
28 posted on 09/05/2019 11:59:53 AM PDT by rickomatic
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To: rickomatic

Serialize


29 posted on 09/05/2019 12:01:02 PM PDT by rickomatic
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To: wastoute
"IIRC they seriously screwed with someone who was doing this and IIRC he won."

I think the government has been hesitant to charge many gun crimes because virtually all gun laws are infringements of the Second Amendment. It only takes a few cases to turn things around.

The DC law requiring guns to be locked up at home gave us the Heller Decision. The Chicago law against handguns at home gave us the McDonald Decision. More recently the Massachusetts law against stun guns gave us the Caetano Decision.

That is only three Supreme Court decisions and the effect has been to significantly change the legal environment for gun owners. One or two more decisions by the SCOTUS and we will begin to see dramatic changes here in the People's Republik of Kalifornia.

30 posted on 09/05/2019 12:06:48 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: Ancesthntr

Selling any firearms as a business w/o an FFL is illegal. Making (80%) receiver and eventually selling it or any other firearm one owns other than as a business is not illegal. Occasional buy/sell is not illegal.

There is a glitch however, making any AR lower ( the actual firearm per the law) into a rifle or pistol is authorized, but one cannot take apart a rifle, use that lower to build a pistol ( IOW, remove the rifle buffer/stock and un pin the rifle upper, add pistol buffer parts, then snap in a pistol upper) that is a felony.... It is the law, it does not need to make any sense.

So, selling a firearm made by oneself to another is not necessarily illegal. The guy who made it needs to have his ducks in a row, otherwise they will find something to hook him on. I would recommend he say absolutely nothing to the ATF folks w/o a firearms lawyer present.


31 posted on 09/05/2019 12:28:55 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: rktman

you can assemble you own gun out of parts you buy. The lower has the serial number and is considered the “weapon” by ATF.. the rest is just parts.

You do not have to have a lower with a serial number if you are going to use the gun on your own property for your own use.

If you want to sell a gun you have put together, you must have used a serially numbered lower, or applied for the appropriate FFL manufacturers license and applied a serial number to your home made lower before the sale.


32 posted on 09/05/2019 12:43:46 PM PDT by willyd (I for one welcome our NSA overlords)
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To: rktman
NONSENSE. IT IS COMPLETELY LEGAL TO MAKE A GUN IN ONE'S HOME.

In Texas and the other free states.

This is mainstream media LIES.

33 posted on 09/05/2019 12:46:49 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Enjoy the decline of the American empire.)
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To: Ex gun maker.

DA’s want to preserve a 100% conviction rate at all costs so they can get paid by the big defense firms in a few years... so they let dangerous criminals out on the street to preserver their future earnings all the time.

Only the super air tight cases get prosecuted. The people get to suffer.


34 posted on 09/05/2019 12:47:00 PM PDT by willyd (I for one welcome our NSA overlords)
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To: rktman

Whatever, Murder is already Illegal so everything else regarding this POS is just blather for the Anti Second Amendment Traitors.


35 posted on 09/05/2019 1:22:12 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Democracy, two Wolves and one Sheep deciding what's for Dinner.)
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To: Oldexpat

The direct answer to your question is about 1/2 way down the page: https://prepperswill.com/how-to-build-an-unregistered-survival-rifle-with-hand-tools/

However, there are a lot of other answers on the link.


36 posted on 09/05/2019 1:46:15 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: rktman

Criminals will get what they want one way or another. Many of them make synthetic drugs and pills full of synthetic drugs. One way to distract them and detain them from committing mass murders is to bust them for drugs again and again.


37 posted on 09/05/2019 2:24:53 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: rktman

Check this out. Some of you might be surprised.

American Convicted Felon Everyday Carry (EDC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K-vpokw0gU


38 posted on 09/05/2019 2:26:36 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: rktman

Strictly speaking, the firearm was legally made, but selling it was the crime.


39 posted on 09/05/2019 2:36:27 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (We live on a tax farm as free-range humans!)
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To: familyop

You mean,,,,,,, you mean........they break the law?!


40 posted on 09/05/2019 2:37:09 PM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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