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BroJoeK to Kalamata

>>Denier Kalamata: “Those were not Christians, Alinsky Joe. Christians do not persecute anyone.”
>>Science Denier Joey said: “I’ve mentioned elsewhere that some of my ancestors were Anabaptists, persecuted by both Catholics and Protestants. It’s why they came to America.

Christians do not persecute anyone, Joey; but they are routinely persecuted.

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>>Science Denier Joey said: “Now you may wish to argue that such persecutors were not truly Christian, or you may wish to argue that Anabaptists are not truly Christian. Regardless, the historical fact is that Christian official persecutions of heretics began with Roman Emperor Constantine the Great, circa 325 A.D.

Christians do not persecute anyone, Joey, because it is impossible to be a Christian and a persecutor. People in positions of power can be Christians, or scientists, or statesmen; but when they abuse their powers they are no longer Christians, or scientists, or statesmen, but thugs.

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>>Science Denier Joey said: “Christian persecutions of Jews reached a peak in the Spanish Inquisition, circa 1500 A.D.

Many Jews are Christian, Joey, and Christians do not persecute anyone.

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>>Science Denier Joey said: “None of that had anything to do with Charles Darwin.”

Charlie Darwin taught the naive his religious doctrine, which emphasized that there was no power higher than themselves. His doctrine thoroughly corrupted western civilization, and metastasized into Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and a myriad of lesser thugs.

Mr. Kalamata


402 posted on 09/13/2019 11:51:11 AM PDT by Kalamata (BIBLE RESEARCH TOOLS: http://bibleresearchtools.com/)
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Danny Denier post #402: "Christians do not persecute anyone, Joey; but they are routinely persecuted."

So Danny boy, are you truly that ignorant of history, or are you just doing your denier-thing here too?
Do you claim that whatever Christians did historically was not really "persecution"?
Or do you claim that those who persecuted were not really Christians?

Sorry, but the fact is that people self-proclaimed as Christians began persecuting their "enemies" -- non-believers, heretics, apostates, etc. including the death penalty -- beginning right after the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD.

Danny Denier: "Christians do not persecute anyone, Joey, because it is impossible to be a Christian and a persecutor. People in positions of power can be Christians, or scientists, or statesmen; but when they abuse their powers they are no longer Christians, or scientists, or statesmen, but thugs."

So, I see, you don't pretend there were no prosecutions, rather you claim those who persecuted were not really Christians.
That's fine, I "get" that.

Here's your problem:
Beginning with Roman Emperor Constantine the Great, after making Christianity the empire's state religion, he immediately started to attack & destroy all other religions both pagan and Christian "heretics", newly declared.
And you don't have to be cynical to grasp that Constantine's motives were probably not just religious piety.
Instead, by "coincidence" it turns out that all those other pagan temples were vast storehouses of wealth accumulated over many centuries, wealth Constantine could & did use to build up his new Eastern Roman Empire capital at old Byzantium.
So, in the name of Christianity Constantine methodically destroyed & took the pagans' wealth to support his dreams of empire.

Did Christians object, did they oppose Constantine's infringements on others' freedom of religion?
No, for the most part, of course not since Christians benefitted in the form of new cathedrals and government financial support.
Somewhere I read that Bishop Eusebius of Caesarea, known as Constantine's propagandist, did somewhat object, but in veiled & coded metaphorical language.
I don't know if that counts.

From that point on to early modern times Christian Churches were involved in persecuting non-believers, heretics, Jews & others.
Even Protestant churches after establishing their own official positions soon enough turned to persecuting non-Protestants.

Point is: that was the historical tradition into which Catholics like young Adolf Hitler were born & raised.
It all had nothing -- zip, nada -- to do with Charles Darwin.

Danny Denier: "Many Jews are Christian, Joey, and Christians do not persecute anyone."

Historically, your repeated denials notwithstanding, Christian churches helped persecute many different categories of non-believers.
And all that many centuries before Darwin was born.

Danny Denier: "Charlie Darwin taught the naive his religious doctrine, which emphasized that there was no power higher than themselves.
His doctrine thoroughly corrupted western civilization, and metastasized into Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and a myriad of lesser thugs."

Darwin never taught what you claim here.
And your implication that there were no mass-murderous thugs before Darwin is beyond ludicrous.

By odd coincidence both young Hitler and Stalin wanted to become priests long before they embarked on careers as murderous totalitarians.
Neither ever claimed Darwin was their reason.

489 posted on 10/06/2019 9:48:51 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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