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Yet another shooting at a gun-free zone: El Paso shooting at Cielo Vista Mall...
crimeresearch.org ^ | August 3, 2019

Posted on 08/03/2019 4:29:34 PM PDT by grundle

Full title: Yet another shooting at a gun-free zone: El Paso shooting at Cielo Vista Mall is apparently in a place that banned permitted concealed handguns

The Simon Mall chain is well known for banning permitted concealed handguns in Texas.

“Possession of any weapon at Simon malls, whether concealed or displayed openly, is in violation of mall policy. This policy is intended first and foremost to maintain a safe, secure and comfortable environment at our malls, which has always been our top priority, and to avoid any situation that could potentially place at risk the safety of our shoppers and employees.

Simon malls are private property, and like virtually every other facility in the community that is accessible by the public, ownership/management has the right to prohibit the possession of weapons, both displayed or concealed, other than licensed weapons carried by law enforcement personnel.

Julie Rigby – Longview Mall Manager”

Everyone in Texas knows that they have to the proper posting for the bans to have legal effect. The statements indicate that the mall was properly posted at the entrances. Following the attacks in Gilroy, California or Virginia Beach, this is yet another attack where people were banned from being able to protect themselves. Here is a copy of the mall’s code of conduct.



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1 posted on 08/03/2019 4:29:34 PM PDT by grundle
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I hope a massive lawsuit is brought against the mall owner and manager.


2 posted on 08/03/2019 4:33:36 PM PDT by Honest Nigerian
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Claims to be a Christchurch immitator. Was against automation, AI and immigration as hurting jobs... all communist planks in Europe except for the right wing flavor on immigration. Clearly another extreme leftist using some right wing talking points for demagoguery

I am intrigued by the Soviet like political sophistication of these goons


3 posted on 08/03/2019 4:33:56 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security in hatse:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: grundle

Gosh, if only the gunman had seen the sign.


4 posted on 08/03/2019 4:35:34 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: grundle

We are one election away from gun confiscation which is supported by every one of the Rat candidates. Pray for the re-election of Trump and Pence.


5 posted on 08/03/2019 4:39:04 PM PDT by KingofZion
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To: grundle

I just read that Juliette Kayyem on CNN says El Paso authorities should promise not to involve border enforcement and ICE at hospitals or reunification sites for people who were at the Walmart shooting and are undocumented.


6 posted on 08/03/2019 4:39:07 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: grundle

Wasn’t the shooting at the Walmart?


7 posted on 08/03/2019 4:39:18 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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“Possession of any weapon at Simon malls, whether concealed or displayed openly, is in violation of mall policy..”

Apparently thir “policy” sucks ass. I hope they get sued into living in cardboardt boxes.


8 posted on 08/03/2019 4:41:23 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: JudgemAll

I’m not sure that opus was that of the actual shooter.


9 posted on 08/03/2019 4:42:17 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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Well then, the shooter is in big trouble now.


10 posted on 08/03/2019 4:42:22 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: grundle; All

Sine the end of WWII, there have been exactly TWO mass shootings in the USA that were NOT in “gun free zones”.

That should tell every “thinking person” about how utterly STUPID that posting “gun-free zones” are & that such places actually ATTRACT armed lunatics/mass murderers.
(Predators prefer HELPLESS, cowering/pleading victims, as they are COWARDS & FEAR armed civilians more than the police.)

All of TEXAS grieves for the wounded & the murdered. - If you are a praying person, PLEASE pray for the survivors of this needless tragedy & for the loved ones of the dead.

Yours TMN78247


11 posted on 08/03/2019 4:42:48 PM PDT by TMN78247 ("VICTORY or DEATH", William Barrett Travis, LtCol, comdt., Fortress of the Alamo, Bejar, 1836)
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The crazy bigots at Democratic Underground are off and running - claiming the shooter was “taught to hate” as far back as 2017, claims he was an alt-right Trump supporter, and now that his Twitter account is suspended, says he “liked” a tweet that featured the name “TRUMP” spelled out in weapons aligned as letters on a carpeted floor. I was on his Twitter account, or what was said to be it, seconds before it was pulled and did not see proof of any of this.


12 posted on 08/03/2019 4:44:09 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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I keep posting that Biden was the author of gun free zone.
I guess no one gives a sheet


13 posted on 08/03/2019 4:44:52 PM PDT by hadaclueonce ( This time I am Deplorable)
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This is another killing in a gun free killing field by what ever this person is and for what ever was in his mind. Listening to the MSM reporting on this was disgusting by their ignorance. One said he was a AK57. Another said he heard it was an AK47 but he doubted it because that was a eastern European gun and not many found in the US. My 2 must be uncommon. People delivering information to the public through MSM should know what they are talking about.... the public is already ignorant enough.


14 posted on 08/03/2019 4:47:09 PM PDT by DOC44
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To: grundle

“Simon malls are private property, and like virtually every other facility in the community that is accessible by the public, ownership/management has the right to prohibit the possession of weapons, both displayed or concealed, other than licensed weapons carried by law enforcement personnel.

Julie Rigby – Longview Mall Manager””

Julie needs to have her head surgically removed from her A$$! When you’re about to kill a dozen or more of innocent people, I doubt that the “private mall’s rules regarding weapons” really have any bearing on the matter! Simon has the RIGHT to exclude weapons, but at the same time, they also bear the RESPONSIBILITY for seeing to it that they are, in point of fact gun-free. By their inability to secure their premises, they have falsely communicated to their patrons that there properties are safe from gun violence, Julie’s CYA comment won’t stop the lawsuits that are coming Simon’s way!


15 posted on 08/03/2019 4:47:47 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: hadaclueonce

I keep posting that Biden was the author of gun free zone.
I guess no one gives a sheet


Maybe you’re doing it wrong.
Try posting with font +1 in bold and each line centered.
That’s what some freepers do to get “look at me.” I skip them just for spite.


16 posted on 08/03/2019 4:49:09 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: grundle

Gun Control Kills 20 at Simon Mall.


17 posted on 08/03/2019 4:50:28 PM PDT by TheNext (Diversity: Darker Replaces Lighter)
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To: grundle; Honest Nigerian

I hope that the commerical liability insurance carriers decide to charge a huge premium on customers which insist on “weapons free” policies.

The free market will make gun free zones unaffordable or uninsurable.


18 posted on 08/03/2019 4:54:23 PM PDT by lightman (Byzantine Troparia: The "praise choruses" of antiquity.)
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To: grundle; Honest Nigerian

I hope that the commericial liability insurance carriers decide to charge a huge premium on customers which insist on “weapons free” policies.

The free market will make gun free zones unaffordable or uninsurable.


19 posted on 08/03/2019 4:55:08 PM PDT by lightman (Byzantine Troparia: The "praise choruses" of antiquity.)
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To: grundle
Did this Walmart, like many, sell guns? If so they should have been handing out the merchandise and ammo to any anyone there with a concealed carry permit after the first shot was heard.
20 posted on 08/03/2019 4:57:40 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (waiting for the tweets to hatch)
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