Posted on 08/01/2019 6:56:02 AM PDT by bitt
One of the key assumptions promulgated by the Mueller report was basically ignored during the July 24 congressional hearings with the former special counsel.
Amid all the back and forth, and the often-hapless hemming and hawing by Robert Mueller, no one questioned the report’s contention that the Russians interfered in our election in large part to get Donald Trump elected.
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If they could elect Trump, the theory goes, the Russians would have covert control of the White House by blackmailing Trump over his planned Moscow hotel or something like that.
As someone who has been to the Soviet Union and then the Russian Republic several times, this strikes me as a serious (possibly deliberate) misreading of how the Russians operate and how their intelligence agencies—the KGB in its new guise, the FSB—operate.
To begin with, the Russians were reading the same polls we were that gave the likelihood of a Trump victory as somewhere between slim and none. Why waste their efforts in favor of Donald, even assuming they wanted to?
More importantly, there’s the matter of the Steele dossier. This repugnant and now widely discredited document had plenty of unpleasant things to say about Donald Trump, from the allegation that he engaged in an elaborate conspiracy with Russia to the ludicrous accusation of the existence of the so-called “pee tape.”
As Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) said to Mueller during the hearings, the salacious details in the dossier could only have come from two sources–former UK spy Christopher Steele making them up himself or Russian contacts feeding him the dubious information. (A combination of the two is also possible.) If it’s the latter,
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Of course not.
Meanwhile, back at the Feinstein (D-Beijing) compound, people were ignoring one of our real enemies, especially in technology and space.
The Russians bribed HELLary with more than $600 MILLION to get 20% of US uranium.
Russia wanted HELLary to win knowing she would do whatever they commanded.
It’s not rocket science...
No because Putin wants to discourage democracy in his own country and have his people believe that all Western elections are rigged by the establishment/elite just as it is in Russia. Russian State Media made it clear that Hillary had it in the bag regardless of the will of the American people.
The Democrats and their fellow travelers could not believe that Hillary could lose a rigged election.
They assumed that the only way Trump could win was by cheating, which is what they would have done if they were in his place.
So they trumped up the charge that Trump had colluded with the Russians to rig--and win--the election. Whether they actually believed this or not is an open question.
That's it.
Hillary is crazy and they knew it.
Who the hell cares! The American people wanted him to win and that is what happened.
I see very little discussion of another serious problem with the (made up) story that the Russians hacked the DNC server and gave that data to Wikileaks:
Intelligence agencies love to to collect anything they can about important people like the certain winner of the 2016 election: Hillary Clinton.
That would be very valuable intelligence. Blackmail is just one of many possibilities. BUT NOT IF YOU MAKE THAT INFORMATION PUBLIC.
The very idea that the DNC material passed from Russian hands to Julian Assange and Wikileaks is simply absurd. The CIA wouldn’t do that nor would the KGB. Possible leverage lost. Nothing gained. Nope.
Of course, not. It was Hellary who gave them the uranium, not Trump. It was obamy who had flexibility with them, not Trump. Russia has longtime solid ties with the DNC, not Tump.
There could be only one possible reason for the Russians to secretly want Trump to win, and it is geopolitical: they figured he would make the United States stronger and be a counter-balance to China, which the Russians need.
However, it would be, as Obama said, impossible for any foreign nation to tamper with the presidential election.
That is foreign nation. The democrats try to illegally tamper with the presidential election every chance they get. And the MSM. And now Google, Facebook, and Twitter.
Absolutely. But now they aren’t happy. Better than Hillary for them too though.
Personally i am quite thankful Trump won and Hillary lost, its revenge for having an usurper in charge for 8 years.
And i think most of America agrees.
The Russians wished to cast doubt on the legitimacy of ANY US President, and in this they have been relatively successful.
The Russians may have interfered in local elections in both Los Angeles and New York City to produce overwhelming majorities for Herself, giving her a large part of the majority in the popular vote in California and New York State, much of the rest coming from locally generated vote fraud. So on paper, while it looked like Herself got the majority of votes, those supernumerary votes were very unevenly distributed, thus Trump won on the electoral college vote by a sizable margin. The “popular vote” count threw doubt in the accuracy of the measure of the temper of the people across the nation, and it was enough to keep things in ferment several years after the fact.
I sincerely believe the Russians, as well as other foreign entities, conspired to skew the final popular vote tally in not only the Presidential election, but in many House and Senate races as well. Those marginal races that went to Democrats in the 2018 election? Clandestine Russian money and influence, as well as the usual voter fraud in those districts.
Disagree. They wanted the chaos they got. Had they really wanted Hill they would have rigged it a totally different way. They did the exact same thing in the Ukraine.
The Russians wished to cast doubt on the legitimacy of ANY US President, and in this they have been relatively successful.
The Russians may have interfered in local elections in both Los Angeles and New York City to produce overwhelming majorities for Herself, giving her a large part of the majority in the popular vote in California and New York State, much of the rest coming from locally generated vote fraud. So on paper, while it looked like Herself got the majority of votes, those supernumerary votes were very unevenly distributed, thus Trump won on the electoral college vote by a sizable margin. The “popular vote” count threw doubt in the accuracy of the measure of the temper of the people across the nation, and it was enough to keep things in ferment several years after the fact.
I sincerely believe the Russians, as well as other foreign entities, conspired to skew the final popular vote tally in not only the Presidential election, but in many House and Senate races as well. Those marginal races that went to Democrats in the 2018 election? Clandestine Russian money and influence, as well as the usual voter fraud in those districts.
Keep away from the motivation game. It involves too much speculation. And so what if there were Russians who wanted him to win? There were EU socialists and de-genderizers who wanted him to lose.
The only thing that matters is whether Trump and Russians were colluding to do something illegal, and the answer to that is a clear “no evidence whatsoever.”
Yes.
I’m hoping that during Trump’s second term we can get a big push for election reform.
There was no collusion — we know that.
Could there have been any funny business in the voting itself? Hard to know for sure — but since everyone is SO concerned about elections being “stolen”, maybe we need Voter ID, purple ink, paper ballots, and periodic purging of the voting rolls.
If the Democrats begin arguing that the election system isn’t broken and there is nothing to fix, their hypocrisy might catch people’s attention.
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