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To: Oatka; grey_whiskers
My bias is that it is not a supernatural relic. When the Shroud news first broke, I thought "Gee, wouldn't it be great if . . ."

So you were around in 944AD when Archdeacon Gregory gave his sermon in The Hagia Sophia in Constantinople describing the shroud? Or perhaps you were alive in 1352 when Sir Geoffrey de Charney built his chapel in Lirey, France, to put the Shroud on display for the world to know about? Or was in 1898 when Secondo Pia took the first photograph and saw the negative plate that turned out to be an actual positive image? How about in 1932 when Pierre Enri made better photographs and they were published worldwide? Or perhaps it was in 1978 when an interdisciplinary team of scientists were permitted to have unprecedented access to the Shroud for 24 hour a day for 120 hours then published their findings in 1981, again making worldwide headlines about what it was NOT? Perhaps it was when the scientists at the Oxford lab gleefully announced the results of the C14 tests as being 1350 AD to the world. We you there being gleeful, too? Those are all times when the Shroud news could have been considered to have “first broke.” Again, you show your abysmal ignorance of the history of the Shroud with your “first broke” comment.

It is glaringly obvious the “reading” you have done about the Shroud only comes from those already prejudiced toward it not being authentic, those who lie about the motives of the researchers, those who call them pseudo scientists, those who are themselves not scientists, and therefore exceedingly incompetent to make such judgements. YOU prefer the unqualified opinions of English majors, failed magicians, and ex-carnival barkers to the results of research by qualified, peer-reviewed scientists working in their fields of expertise. THAT says a lot about your judgement.

Not a single one of those scientists have ever said that the Shroud is ever going to be proved to be the Shroud of Jesus Christ. In fact, they have to a man and woman, stated categorically, that science cannot prove that the Shroud of Turin is the grave cloth of Jesus Christ.

You’ve made it apparent you do not even understand how science works. . . You don’t, do you?

Science can only prove it is NOT the Shroud of Jesus Christ. . . so these scientists studying the Shroud of Turin have been working to FALSIFY that hypothesis, looking diligently for evidence that it is NOT the Shroud of Jesus, not for proof that it is, because they cannot prove that it is.

Seeing as how you’ve also made it apparent you’ve never bothered to read anything factual I’ve written in these posts, as you keep posting non-factual repetitions of the nonsense spouted by the skeptical idiots such as Nickell, Schaeffersman, and Randi, I doubt you’ve read this far in this post to read this factual statement either.

190 posted on 07/27/2019 7:50:47 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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To: Swordmaker

Give it a rest.

I have been looking into any info of the Shroud and have yet to be convinced it is supernatural.

I have also wasted my time arguing with commbative and oh-so-sure Shroudies that I have come to view them in the same vein as liberals and climate enablers, and have no desire to continue wasting my time, with them, or any who self-identify as “swords makers”.

Respond to this as you wish - it is just white noise.


193 posted on 07/29/2019 8:55:07 PM PDT by Oatka
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