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To: Dave W

> “I think you misunderstand. The Supreme Court has already ruled that the Census count including illegal aliens are part of the population of the US and all are included in House representation/apportionment.”

Ah … No. That’s not at all what was ruled. Such a ruling if it were made which it was not would invalidate more than 200 years of Census practice and policy as well as constitutional amendments addressing the subject. For example, Civil War amendments addressing the citizenship of Black Americans would be negated. Census questions included citizenship to directly address these amendments.

Here’s a chart showing more than 220 years of US history with respect to the census included citizenship or similar questions (Were you born in the US or any of its territories?).

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3762570/posts?page=17#17

That you are so far out of what is transacting makes me hesitant to engage any other comment you might have.

> “The question Trump wanted on the Census was informational. If they checked noncitizen, that would not have meant they are necessarily illegal. There are millions of resident aliens in this country who are legal. My sister in law is from Australia, who has chosen to not become a citizen of the US and is happy with the decision.”

There are three broad categories of status:

Citizen
Noncitizen legals
Noncitizen illegals

Citizen accounting is fairly straightforward primarily by using tax data aggregation of families and dependents, individuals.

Noncitizen legals are easy enough for government databases to be processed for numerical counts. For example, H1B visa holders are a known quantity. Thus, this portion can be accounted for.

Noncitizen illegals are estimable using a variety of methods. For example, the roundup of more than a million illegals that is happening now is based on deportation orders that have been ignored.


81 posted on 07/12/2019 2:38:52 AM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: Hostage
Sorry, I know what I wrote about. The Supreme Court ruled 10 or 15 years ago or so that everyone is included in the population count and is included in the apportionment.

I'm sure you can google it and find out.

85 posted on 07/12/2019 2:59:27 AM PDT by Dave W
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To: Hostage
Are undocumented residents (aliens) in the 50 states included in the apportionment population counts? back to top Yes, all people (citizens and noncitizens) with a usual residence in the 50 states are to be included in the census and thus in the apportionment counts.

The above is direct from the US Census website. It was easy to look up. Here is the link: https://www.census.gov/population/apportionment/about/faq.html#Q2

In addition, don't be so arrogant like you know everything. I think you need to go back and correct those you have misled and misinformed and let them know the correct information. Thanks for the history you gave me.

89 posted on 07/12/2019 3:11:56 AM PDT by Dave W
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