Posted on 07/11/2019 11:16:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Getting fact-checked cuts two ways. It means the fact-checkers pay attention to what I say. It also means I should expect liberal bias from the checkers.
In a recent appearance on Fox News, I made the following assertions:
-- Republicans did not own slaves. Democrats owned slaves;
-- Democrats founded the KKK;
-- Democrats opposed the 13th Amendment that freed the slaves, Democrats opposed the 14th Amendment that made the newly freed slaves citizens, and Democrats opposed the 15th Amendment that granted them the right to vote; and
-- As a percentage of their party, more Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 than did Democrats.
I received an email from PolitiFact's Bill McCarthy. He wrote:
"Here are the claims I'm interested in:
"1. 'Republicans did not own slaves. Democrats owned slaves.'
"2. 'Democrats founded the KKK.'
"3. 'Democrats opposed the 13th Amendment, the 14th Amendment, the 15th Amendment.'
"4. 'As a percentage of their party, more Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 than did Democrats.'
"Could you please send me any evidence you have in support of these claims?"
I responded: "As to no Republicans ever owning slaves, I was wrong, and I've corrected it on social media. There were at least 10. As for the rest, you should have no difficulty finding sources. Good luck."
Days later, PolitiFact published its fact-check on their PunditFact site. It showed a rating meter with "False" in bold letters. False? On all four claims? It appears that the meter has since been removed, likely for the reasons we'll explore in this column. Let's examine their analysis of my four assertions in reverse order.
No. 4. Elder: "As a percentage of the party, more Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964."
PolitiFact: "61% of Democrats (152 yeas and 96 nays) and 80% of Republicans (138 yeas and 34 nays) voted for the bill to pass the House.
"The Senate passed the bill on June 19, 1964, by a 73-27 margin, with about 69% of Democrats (46 yeas, 21 nays) and 82% of Republicans (27 yeas, 6 nays) voting for the measure on final passage.
"So, in both chambers of Congress, a greater percentage of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 than Democrats. Elder was right."
Game to Elder.
No. 3. Elder: "Democrats opposed the 13th Amendment, the 14th Amendment, the 15th Amendment."
PolitiFact: "It's accurate that Democrats opposed the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments. ... Historians we spoke to said the majority of Reconstruction-era Democrats did, in fact, oppose these three amendments. Republicans led the way each time."
Game to Elder.
No. 2. Elder: "Democrats founded the KKK."
PolitiFact: "Many southern whites during the 1860s and 1870s were, in fact, Democrats, and some joined the Ku Klux Klan. But there's no evidence that the group was founded by the Democratic Party. ... 'The men who started the Klan were southerners and almost certainly voted Democrat, but that's a far cry from the claim that the party set up the organization,' (Princeton historian Kevin Kruse) said."
Note that I never said "the Democratic Party" founded the KKK. I said that Democrats did, as admitted by PolitiFact. The "fact-checker" changed what I said and then fact-checked what they'd changed it to.
Game to Elder.
No. 1 Elder: "Republicans did not own slaves. Democrats owned slaves."
PolitiFact: "The claim that Republicans did not own slaves is false, and Elder corrected the record on Twitter the next day. ... 'As to no Republicans ever owning slaves, I was wrong, and I've corrected it on social media,' Elder said in a statement to PolitiFact. 'There were at least 10.'"
PolitiFact noted: "'Republicans were obviously the party of abolition, but there were in fact Republicans who owned slaves,' Kruse told us. ... (Slave owners Francis P. Blair and Benjamin Burton) were not the only two. After conservative filmmaker Dinesh D'Souza made a similar claim on Twitter, Kruse and other historians on Twitter identified eight more prominent Republicans who also owned slaves in 1860."
Game to Politifact, sort of.
So for two of my four assertions, PolitiFact admits I was correct. As to my assertion that Democrats founded the KKK, PolitiFact agreed that Democrats founded the Klan but fact-checked whether the Democrat Party founded it, a claim I did not make.
As for my assertion the Republicans "did not own slaves," which, again, was corrected the next day, here is some perspective. Historian Joseph T. Glatthaar, author of "Soldiering in the Army of Northern Virginia: A Statistical Portrait of the Troops Who Served under Robert E. Lee," estimates that in 1860, 4.9% of people living in slave states owned slaves. So, out of that number, at least 10 Republicans owned slaves -- yes, north of zero, but a tiny fraction. If one is a Democrat, it is not much to be proud of.
In conclusion, Elder was right about everything, except he was off by 10 Republican slave owners. So, match to Elder. Now, then, what rating shall we give PolitiFact?
bttt
People don’t know history
That is an interesting quote in the article.
I suppose there may be historical quotes of Lincoln saying, “I am an abolitionist.” And, "support the war for abolition.”
If those quotes can be found it will go a long way toward proving Lincoln, in fact, "fought to free the slaves" and used the military to violently overthrow the pro-slavery United States Constitution.
I know there is historical evidence that the Republican Party opposed expansion of slavery into the territories, but that is not the same as being for abolition. Prohibiting slaves from being taken into the territories did not help the slaves; it helped prevent labor competition between free whites and slaves. Advantage: free whites.
People don’t know statistics. The population of Republicans in slave owning states did not have the same behavior as the population of Democrats in the slave owning states.
bkmk
Great to see someone with some followers speak the stark historic truth. I like it.
PFL
“The population of Republicans in slave owning states did not have the same behavior as the population of Democrats in the slave owning states.”
That is an interesting comment.
What does it mean?
Republicans went to live in slave states for the intentional purpose of buying slaves and sending them north. It was only in the dozens, or maybe hundreds. But certainly not thousands.
Republicans chose to be Republican, which inherently meant opposition to slavery. Republicans in those early years were very religious about their Republicanism.
No Republican owned a slave in the way that a Democrat owned a slave. Of course, most white Democrats were too poor to own a slave. It was the rich, and those willing to go heavily into debt who owned slaves.
“Republicans went to live in slave states for the intentional purpose of buying slaves and sending them north.”
Until very recently there was widespread belief that “not a single republican ever owned a slave.”
Now, this narrative: Republicans went to live in slave states for the intentional purpose of buying slaves and sending them north.
Do you know of historical evidence supporting this new theory?
I find this to be incredibly stupid.
No Democrats who founded the KKK or owned slaves are alive. The modern Democratic Party is the party of blacks and other minorities, anything Democrats did for whites prior to 1970 is long gone.
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