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EDITORIAL: Eliminating fossil fuels would risk a descent into darkness
washingtontimes.com ^ | 6/10/2019 | editors

Posted on 06/15/2019 4:01:57 PM PDT by rktman

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Inventiveness plus boldness equals progress. Liberal “activists” who want to revolutionize the nation’s energy resources demonstrate political moxie, but if their campaign to substitute renewable sources for fossil fuels — oil and gas — succeeds it will take more than happy thoughts to keep the lights on.

Michael Bloomberg, the billionaire former mayor of New York City, pledges to donate $500 million to a campaign to shutter the nation’s remaining coal-fired power plants by 2030. The billionaire told the Class of ‘19 at Massachusetts Institute of Technology the other day that his Bloomberg Philanthropies, in partnership with the Sierra Club, played a role in closing 289 coal-fired plants — half of the nation’s existing power plants — since 2011. He says he’ll try to pull the plug on the rest, all to save the planet from the changing climate.

“Building on the success of the Beyond Coal campaign, I’m committing $500 million to launch @BeyondCarbon the largest-ever coordinated campaign to tackle the worst climate crisis our country has ever seen, Mr. Bloomberg tweeted last week. “This is the fight of our time.” The money will be spent primarily on funding environmental organizations adept at lobbying government officials to go “green.” He aims to take out clean-burning natural gas power plants as well. “By the time they are built, they’ll be out of date because renewable will be cheaper,” he told the graduates.

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Someone on the board at the WT didn't get the memo apparently. Sherlock Holmes was unavailable for comment. Next comment will have the link to nanny bloomers new initiative.
1 posted on 06/15/2019 4:01:57 PM PDT by rktman
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Eliminating oil entirely would do it.


2 posted on 06/15/2019 4:02:52 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: rktman

Be afraid. With the money he has, he is a danger.

https://www.beyondcarbon.org/

Peruse and scratch your head. Mud huts and dung fires for the peons.


3 posted on 06/15/2019 4:02:55 PM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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Cheap nat gas couldn’t have had anything to do with it, I suppose.


4 posted on 06/15/2019 4:05:29 PM PDT by babble-on
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To: rktman

Actually, that is exactly the point. Destroy the US permanently.


5 posted on 06/15/2019 4:08:01 PM PDT by Innovative
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Mud huts and dung fires for the peons of means. The rest will be their servants. Don't ask or speak of the Wise Ones who rule us all.
6 posted on 06/15/2019 4:09:11 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: rktman

Darkness like this?

7 posted on 06/15/2019 4:16:38 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (A joke: Comey,Brennan and Lynch walk into a Barr...)
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To: rktman

Risk a decent? Hell, that’s the goal.


8 posted on 06/15/2019 4:23:04 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: Innovative

Don’t Luddite Get You Down

We’ll have our global warming,
it’s gonna be the rage.
The benefits are forming
to stall the next ice age.

But, hark, what muffled grousing
the transom overflows,
as climate change arouses
funky festooned foes.

It’s a cascade of excresence
to make mankind regress
to living like a peasant
while using less and less.

Crank up the moth-balled factories
and turn the A/C down.
Build nuclear reactors
to light your life and town.


9 posted on 06/15/2019 4:27:58 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: rktman

I suppose the deep state would shut down all energy so they could bring in their zero point energy at a great price.


10 posted on 06/15/2019 4:30:51 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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Considering that due to low winds, Britain has had no wind power generated for almost two weeks, the risk is hight.


11 posted on 06/15/2019 4:35:40 PM PDT by mak5
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You don’t say...


12 posted on 06/15/2019 4:51:44 PM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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Sadly, the beginning of the editorial, which you quoted, isn’t the core and importance of the story.

Here’s the important paragraphs:

If fossil-fuel power plants are to go the way of the clipper ships over the next decade, something must replace them. Going solely solar would require installing solar panels over an area of land nearly the size of West Virginia. Generating just 20 percent of U.S. energy needs from wind would require mounting turbines on an area encompassing land the size of New Hampshire and Vermont. About 900 hydroelectric plants were demolished between 1990 and 2015 owing to opposition from environmentalists outraged by harm to fish ecosystems. Nuclear plants would get similarly rough treatment at the hands of fanatics frightened by the prospect of nuclear power.

Solar and wind power flit across the landscape intermittently, requiring an alternate source, like coal or gas, to make electricity when nature takes a break. Environmentally friendly Europeans find that a lack of reliable backup when nature takes that break increases the risk of electrical grid failures. German engineering, as good as it is, has not been able to eliminate the effect of “green” politics, which would replace fossil and nuclear power with renewables. The result is 172,000 localized blackouts in Germany in 2017.

Poverty was a constant companion of humanity until modern times. The proportion of people worldwide living in poverty was cut in half between 1990 and 2010, according to the World Bank, an achievement unprecedented in human history. It was the result of a rapid boost in global energy production — up 43 percent during that period, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. Nearly 81 percent of that power was generated by fossil fuels, such as oil and gas.

A billion people around the globe still suffer extreme energy poverty, with no access to electricity. Everyone gets a hint of what that means when storms knock out the power, and everything in the house stops. Fumbling occasionally for candles is a mere inconvenience, but life beyond carbon — entirely dependent on sunshine and a breeze — would be insanity.


13 posted on 06/15/2019 4:52:58 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (The media is after us. Trump's just in the way.)
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To: mak5

How many years of electricity produced by windmills is needed to cover the cost of mining iron ore and metallurgical coke, transport to steel mills, energy expended to produce steel within the mills, transport of huge heavy steel blades, etc.

https://www.worldcoal.org/coal/uses-coal/how-steel-produced

Tally up energy used to create steel versus energy produced by windmills minus energy loss over transmission lines.

Bring it on. Debate it. Trump will kill it. Never play in the rust belt. Virtue-signaling elitists on the coasts versus flyover country.


14 posted on 06/15/2019 4:56:41 PM PDT by bakkentom
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To: rktman
Interesting how Bloomberg doesn't actually use his business skill and assets to start up an energy provider that doesn't use coal or any other fossil fuel. If he is so sure it is a good idea why doesn't he just start up a business and take advantage of the opportunity.

We all know the answer. Bloomberg wants to force his ideas on society, since like all leftists he thinks he is smarter than everybody else, and if we just do what he says the climate will magically stop changing. And if we just follow his thinking on weapons nobody will ever have to face a violent crime again. Or a tyrannical government. Because since he, in his mind, is perfect, his ideas will lead us to nirvana.

No thanks, I'd rather put my faith in the proven ideas of the Founders, and spiritual and scientific disciplines developed over thousands of years. Instead of the proven misery of leftist ideas spouted by rich dudes with big egos.

15 posted on 06/15/2019 4:56:54 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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I guess democracy isn’t the only thing that dies in darkness.


16 posted on 06/15/2019 4:56:56 PM PDT by HighSierra5
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These leftist dumb f**ks couldn’t last 3 days without oil or gas. Especially in February.


17 posted on 06/15/2019 5:00:18 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Alas Babylon!
The result is 172,000 localized blackouts in Germany in 2017.

As the reliability of the electric grid drops people will install local power sources. In the 1980s I didn't know anyone who had a whole house generator. Now they are common in New Hampshire, and a wanted feature in homes.

We may well end up with a distributed power solution, and it will probably generate way more pollution than the coal power plants did when all the local backyard diesel, propane, and natural gas generators fire up.

18 posted on 06/15/2019 5:01:43 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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Not only would we be sitting in the dark, but banning fossil fuels would cost thousands of lives. A polar vortex event like last winter when temperatures plunged to -30 degrees would mean people literally freezing to death in their homes as “green” electric heat would fail especially if solar farms are are covered with snow and windmills are idled by a lack of wind common with these vortex events. Similarly during heat waves the windmills and solar farms would need to be supplemented by fossil fuel plants. Without fossil fuel backup thousands would be without electricity and thus have no air conditioning or even electric fans. The elderly and young children will die in the heat.


19 posted on 06/15/2019 5:19:05 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatche)
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“Be afraid. With the money he has, he is a danger.”

In the Christian era of modern North America there were political opponents battling each other but they were all patriots and “Gentlemen”.

In the post-christian era The People face subversive attacks from foreign NGOs with anti-American agendas, fronted by political opponents who are not patriotic at all. The opposite in fact. Some run huge companies or Universities or political fringe groups. America has become a land of secret agendas. We have presidential candidates preaching one policy to The people and another -opposite- policy to their billionaire -International- backers.

The Bush and Obama administrations undermined National security and economic prestige to a huge extent. Americas was blind-sided. A few citizens saw the big picture but they were not given much media credance. Obama (especially) saw his allegiances in other Nations, and in the U.N., not America. I contend Obama was -covertly- traitorous, an anti-American administration working with those same billionaires and International backers (such as Prince Alaweed).

So we are living in a Nation where a large and powerful sub-section are working against The People and The Constitution. And it is not illegal to do so -I see no one going to jail except lower management agents such as Manafort.

Turmoil. Subversion. Pressure Groups with big financing, big media presence and and big street level organisation.

About 15 years ago I read a book with the answers to this political scenario, written by a wise old man, a former WW2 soldier, an author experiencing the same “swamp” in his own nation. His nation was blindsided and over-run by extremists. His book was food for thought alright, a lot of thought, but I lent it out to someone and it hasn’t come back. That author wrote many books and received a Nobel Prize. Recently I re-purchased a copy of that book, in paperback. “Pre-owned”. It cost me about the same as a Subway Footlong. It goes on the shelf beside my Orwells.

This man, a famous victim of politics-against-the-People, advocated transparency in the public square and an end to secret funding, secret manifestos, secret deals, secret policing. To do politics covertly is to betray the People since their tolerance, trust and support is being deliberately -malevolently- abused. The type of person who engages in covert politics is of course very much more likely to be an authoritarian maniac. This applies to local, state, federal, and international politics. If every political ambition and policy is public, if politics is transparent, some politics will wither or at least stagnate, and some politics will prosper or reach a compromise - all depending on mass acceptance or rejection via discussion.

The author passed away in 2008. His name was Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn. He advanced the idea that all agendas, all manifestos and all debate should be permitted to be in the public square or a place publicly accessible. He suggested it be criminal not to do so. All things considered, nothing is barred or banned except secrecy.

The People must be able to trust their political class. One of the main payoffs of that political trust is a more stable cost of money and more security of employment. Thats a situation The people enjoyed in the old “Christian” America, a version of America that has been white-anted and ridiculed, and and is close to being replaced by a un-christian America. Look at the faculty departments of 2019.

Sadly, nearly all political science grads (and perhaps a load of sundry intelligentsia) ignore A.I.S. because they have semi-covert or fully covert politically correct agendas (or because their professors do). :(

Imagine if NGOs had to disclose their true funding sources and disclose their true agendas. Imagine if CAIR and other ethnicity and cultural lobby groups had to be public about their memberships. Imagine if fringe groups such as Antifa and BAMN and BLM...


20 posted on 06/15/2019 5:23:15 PM PDT by rocknotsand (Rock. Not sand.)
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