Posted on 05/20/2019 6:51:15 AM PDT by Kaslin
The Left and mainstream political science identify Italian fascism and German National Socialism as right-wing ideologies. Their motivation is clear: they do not want to be associated with regimes that brought civilization horror and suffering on an unprecedented scale. The Left traditionally substantiates its point of view with two theoretical propositions. First of all, fascism and Nazism do not belong to the Left because those regimes did not institute total collective ownership on means of production as Marx prescribed. Secondly, nationalism and racism have traditionally been features of the right, whereas the Left is perceived to comprise internationalists.
Thus, Stalin pointed out in his interview to American journalist Roy Howard, "The foundation of the [socialist] society is public property: state, i.e., national, and co-operative, collective farm property. Neither Italian fascism nor German National-'socialism' has anything in common with such a society. Primarily, this is because the private ownership of the factories and works, of the land, the banks, transport, etc. has remained intact, and, therefore, capitalism remains in full force in Germany and Italy." That has been the notorious argument of Marxian socialists.
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We were taught, decades ago, that Nazism (and fascism, Communism) were decidedly sub-sets of Socialism. Left wing on the scale.
Funny how that idea was ‘magically’ changed. Wonder why?
Last week on jeopardy there was a question which stated fascism was a right wing ideology
It is outrageous
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“...racism have traditionally been features of the right...”
Sure...That’s why the KKK is/was a bunch of democrats...
It is kind of a “you had to have been there moment.
In the 30s and 40s, anything that was not Stalin’s international communist movement was Right Wing.
Last week on jeopardy there was a question which stated fascism was a right wing ideology
It is outrageous
I have done a little research wanting to send to Alex T this looks good
I’ll send but if anyone has a good way to get him this message please do.
Now is the time to push the concept that everything the Left has said has been a lie.
Fascism is socialism
McCarthy was right about Communists in the State Dept
Obama was ineligible to be president
Trump was spied on
It’s actually an incredibly long list. If we push the idea that these people cannot be trusted on anything at all, we might really make progress.
And the Left should NOT be in charge of our education system. Because they don’t tell the truth.
Don’t be stupid, be a smarty. Come and join the nazi party.
Exactly
“The NSDAP is the German left. We hate bourgeois nationalism.”Far more of those that can be posted here before it becomes argumentum verbosium. But suffice it to say that international socialists never believe that such left-wing rhetoric came out of the mouths of those they brand “far right” without even thinking.
— Goebbels
“To put it quite clearly, we have an economic program. Point number thirteen in that program demands the nationalization of all public companies—in other words socialization, or what is known here as socialism.”
— Adolf H.
“When the war is over, in the world’s social revolution that will be followed by a more equitable distribution of the earth’s riches, due account must be kept of the sacrifices and of the discipline of the Italian workers.”
— Mussolini
If you go and pull up the Nazi Party platform of 1920, and 1932...they both offer about 80-percent leftist goals, and 20-percent rightist goals. They aren’t pure liberal, but they lean an awful far distance.
Why? Because the Soviets knew that "Nazi" was the German abbreviation for "National Socialist German Workers Party". Stalin didn't want to remind folks that the Nazis were Leftists, just like he was.
Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.That’s the tenth plank of communism. The left always had education in its sights, and they even had homeschooling in their sights:
But, you say, we destroy the most hallowed of relations, when we replace home education by social.So Marx accuses the “bourgeoisie” of socializing education (but attacks homeschooling in the process), this being another example of accusing the opposition of what the communists themselves actually plan(ned) to do.
And your education! Is not that also social, and determined by the social conditions under which you educate, by the intervention direct or indirect, of society, by means of schools, et cetera?
The Communists have not invented the intervention of society in education; they do but seek to alter the character of that intervention, and to rescue education from the influence of the ruling class. …
The left in one country can be the right in another. That’s the problem with those labels. The words, “left” and “right” are only objective when talking about hands, etc.
When it comes to politiclal beliefs, one needs more descriptive labels. e.g. Classical Liberal, Republican, socialist, fascist, communist, democrat, etc.
Historically inaccurate, Mr. Stalin (you murderous lying Marxist).
Germany of Hitler’s day controlled every aspect of the agricultural system. The land was owned by state cooperatives. Prices of produce were set by the Party.
Mussolini learned early that this did not produce wealth and bastardized Communism to include private ownership of industry so long as it benefited the Party. His buddy Hitler did the same.
The modern day example of this is Communist China, which has adopted a Fascist economic system.
It only lasts so long before it collapses under the weight of central planning.
To those who understand, most of us are classically liberal.
I recently told an old leftist whacko acquaintance with whom I hadn’t talked to in years that I am the most liberal person I know, and he said, “No you’re not,” and proceeded to list some of his more recent brainwashed bigoted activities. Fortunately, we were on the phone, or he might have been moved to violence by my barely controlled laughter.
This has been said thousands of times, in thousands of different ways, but it always bears repeating. It’s an important point that the left denies and tries to cover up.
I’ve stopped using left vs right to catalog governments. I use a Statism scale. How much does a government control the aspects of life in the country. National Socialism and Communism are both high on the Statism scale.
Mussolini wasn’t even an original there; Lenin did it before him with the New Economic Program. (Even the Manifesto said that “[t]hese measures [leading to communism] of course will be different in different countries.”)
What Mussolini did was to not force atheism on the people (even though he himself was an atheist, at one point saying “God does not exist”) and change the focus of his socialism away from Marxist internationalism (which stripped people of their national identity) towards a nationalistic outlook albeit no less imperialistic than pure Marxism.
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