Posted on 03/04/2019 5:09:50 PM PST by Kaslin
Democrats- the party of Eichmann.
A wounded animal can be very dangerous and we should look upon the Democratic party as a fatally wounded animal eager to bite into everyone.
You speak the truth. Uncommon on this subject around here.
As a memberof the tribe, I hope you’re wrong. I am not sure that you are :(
Nope.
Also called islamoleftism in europe, the number one antisemitic brand
They will have to join the islamoleftist antisemitic scum then.
This is not new, the story of the Maccabees, the Golem and nowaday Soros, all indicate stories of statist jews who repressed brethens and burned their homes in the ghettos
#21. Add to Democrats - the party of Eichmann - the following:
Democrats - The Party of Gosnell
Democrats - The Party of Anti-Semitism
Democrats - The Party of Marxism
Democrats - The Party of Treason
Defending Jewish persons and the nation of Israel is the morally correct choice for all Conservatives.
Politically, it will have no consequence.
Jewish Americans have voted 80% for the Democrat Party since modern polling began sixty years ago.
Maybe peeling off 10% of the Jewish vote in Florida can swing the election in 2020, but none of the other heavily Jewish states are in play for the GOP.
If they take similar stances on the issues when other countries are involved, of course not. If not, they're suspect. If, as in the controversies with our new Congresswomen and now many Democrats, they accuse said Catholics of disloyalty, we all know Catholics owe the primary allegiance to the Pope, you bet it does. The fact is this "controversy" isn't at all about Israel's policies, but about questioning the loyalty of American Jews. Which is classic antisemitism. Just as the disloyalty charge against American Papists, not that far in America's past, is bigotry.
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Orthodox Jewish birth rate is 4.1 children per woman, versus 1.5 per secular Jewish woman, so Orthodox are indeed growing in number. Then again, a lot of Orthodox become non-Orthodox. A friend of mine was a secular Jew who was born in an Orthodox family.
The thing that astounds me is how anti-Semitism has such a high priority to the Left.
If you give them a choice between giving everyone “free” health care, forgiving all student loans, guaranteeing everybody an income, or destroying Israel, they’d probably pick the latter.
Not rational, even within their own worldview.
I believe that anti-Semitism should be assigned only to those who are anti-Jewish in some broader sense than being anti-Israel.
The issue has nothing to do with "liberal" Jews. They are ignorant of the history of their own people (or even masochists) if they advocate policies that will destroy the world's only Jewish state.
Make no mistake about it, advocating policies that will destroy Israel - such as the three new Democrat witches in the House clearly do - make one a hater of the Jewish people, i.e., an anti-Semite.
Anyone advocating a world without Israel is indeed anti-Semitic in view of the role of Israel as a place which Jews around the world have sought out when and if conditions in their Diaspora homelands become unbearable. And if ever the destruction of modern-day Israel came about, Jews around the world would generally be more vulnerable to persecution. So, just as it has been since its founding, a thriving Israel is a strong counterweight to anti-Semitism elsewhere in the world.
We need that motivation!
2% of Americans are Jewish. That is not going to change. Fight over 2%? Nope. Makes no sense.
I think you argued around the point. What does it mean to be “anti-Israel”? Literally it means you are against Israel; you wish it didn’t exist; you want it dissolved or removed; at the extreme it means you want to see it destroyed through violence. I think if someone is that extreme, it pretty closely conflates with anti-Semitism. Because what is Israel? It is the physical manifestation of Jewish self-determination. Who would want to end Jewish nationalism and Jewish self-determination?
As you said, nobody is “anti-Italy”. So it’s a question of semantics. Reasonable people can disagree on specific policies and actions - heck, Americans disagree all the time it doesn’t make one or the other “anti-American”. So too can Jews - just like everyone else - have differing opinions on Israeli government, policies, actions.
Part of the problem, thus, is the polarity of the conversation. It is framed as either “Pro-Israel” or “Pro-Palestinian”. Why can’t people be both? I am both. I want the Palestinian people to have better lives, economic opportunities. I even support their self-determination. They fact is they are there and identify. I think they make all kinds of blunders that prevent them from their best human potential, and I’d even say Israel shares some of the blame for that but mostly it is the fault of their own fragmentation, lack of political unity, cultural and ethnic and tribal conflicts, and a focus on the wrong things (focusing against Israel instead of in favor of their own future - and there are many reasons for that including Western policies which have done nothing but exacerbate the status quo).
Of course our support for Israel is not unconditional. We did sign a deal, under Carter, to provide aid to Israel and Egypt when the Camp David Peace Accords were signed. Of course we could renegotiate that. Other than that, any support is conditional. Under Bush Sr, we withdrew some additional aid because we objected to Israeli government actions at the time. When Trump declared he would recognize Jerusalem as the Capitol of Israel, he also said that he would ask them to pay a very high price for that when it came down to his yet-to-be-revealed “Deal of the Century” for Israeli-Palestinian-Arab peace.
You asked if being anti-Spain equates to being anti-Catholic. This is where I think many people get confused. Because Jews are a Nation in the traditional sense, not the modern sense. They go back 1000’s of years before Christianity. Whether you call them Jews or Hebrews or Israelites it is the same thing, essentially. And like all ancient peoples they have their own culture and traditions, they identify to a geographical area, and they have their own religion. The ancient Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, Babylonians - even most Native American tribes - all have the same attributes. Most of these other Nations have changed their religions - but the Jews did not. Many Native Americans still practice their traditional religions or customs.
So part of the problem is trying to identify Jews as something too narrow. Jews are a Nation (in the traditional sense not the modern Nation-state sense) with their own religion. It is not just a religion, it is not just a culture.
Down to the question of anti-Semitism in American politics the question of “dual loyalty” has been around a long time. The question came up when Kennedy ran, whether he would be subservient to The Vatican. This kind of stuff would be very hurtful to Catholic Americans and Jewish Americans. There are millions of Jewish Americans who are not Israelis and will never be Israelis. Israel today is made up mostly of exiles from WW2 Europe and the post 1948 exodus from Arab lands, and Soviet Union exiles. But really today most of Israeli people are native born there. They have their own agenda different from ours and it’s really kind of silly to suggest they would sacrifice the country of their birth because some European or American politician hates Jews.
But you raise a good question: If a Muslim American can question Jewish loyalty to America, why can’t other Americans question that Muslim person’s loyalty? These one or two politicians in the news lately have imo gone beyond the line of what is acceptable. They are entitled to their opinions, but they are not exempt from criticism for those opinions. You are correct, the vast majority of support for Israel comes from Christian Conservatives. The Jewish vote breaks about 65% for Democrats so in a way that keeps a 2-party system “balanced” wrt our relations with Israel. But it is also based on perception, on history, on a sense of Justice. Before the 1980’s there was very little “anti-Israelism” because Israel was widely perceived as the victim of terror and aggression, and admired for their achievements. The occupation of the Palestinian people has raised legitimate ethical and moral questions and this is why, in part, there is more criticism of Israel. And inside those critics the Jew haters hide their hatred and disguise it as empathy for Palestinians.
Good, thanks very much.
It is an historic tragedy that... with each and every crisis there are always some “Jewish” people who ... walk away and abandon their heritage and faith.............and even some who join the enemy of the day....seeking to harm or destroy the Jewish people they’ve abandoned
this leads to the Biblical concept of a remnant...
and all that.
What is impossible to adequately fathom, and therefore impossible to adequately explain ... is why at least the open traitor group...should still be viewed as, considered, counted as “Jews”
there IS Jewish teaching that such traitors/anti-Semites with Jewish names.............have no rightful claim to “membership” anymore....they’ve cast themselves out...
It is the same in Roman Catholic canon law, indeed there is automatic excommunication for knowing heresy (basically, holding a belief contrary to church law or tradition)...without even any of the outright attacks on the church or Catholic people as we so tearfully observe among “Jewish” anti-Semites..........(”latae sententiae”), Can. 1364 par.1 CIC.
Many/most Protestant churches have similar rules to cast out demons/heretics/false teachers/false prophets/etc. from their congregations, either through proceedings akin to excommunication or through automatic disfellowship, etc.
In conclusion, it is an understandable error but still a very unfair one.. to automatically label active anti-Semites as “Jews” just because they may still sport the Jewish names of their believing, loyal to God ancestors.
SorozNazi worked actively with the German Nazi occupiers against the innocent Jews of Hungary in WW2, and in more recent interviews (at least one of which I saw on YouTube)...he has no regrets ......none at all...
and he funds all sorts of anti_Biblical, anti-moral, anti-Jewish, anti-Christian front groups and agiprop “activists”
........He proclaims himself an atheist with zero belief in God...
to call such an evil and anti=Semitic person a “Jew” is very inaccurate, imho, and certainly most unfair....
I respectfully submit that we should try to be discerning about these matters, lest we misunderstand what’s really going on (and quite possibly do a lot of damage with all-too-quick arguments)
there are enemies of good people, enemies of moral values, enemies of Jews and Christians... everywhere these days, the enemies are not all Islamics
there are serious enemies right in our very own communities and congregations, parishes.....the Enemy Within (including the “Erev Rav,” in Jewish lingo.. which refers to the Enemies Within the Jewish people ever since Moses let some Egyptians join in the escape, the Exodus...)
if we lump all these internal enemies in whenever we speak of Catholics or Jews or Methodists or whatever, we do a great disservice... to ourselves included.. since we really need to properly identify them.. the enemy you don’t recognize as your enemy, you will put up no defense against.. and he will conquer you! from within your own tent
The late, great Wm. F. Buckley Jr. once said that while not everyone who is critical of the Jewish State is anti-Semitic, no one who supports the Jewish State can be said to be.
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