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Davis officer’s killer says in note that he was being bombarded by ultrasonic waves
The Sacramento Bee ^ | January 12th, 2019 | By Daniel Hunt

Posted on 01/12/2019 5:51:05 PM PST by Mariner

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To: dragnet2

The first one. I’m saying that pot causes a lot of paranoid and delusional fantasies in some of its heavy users. Let’s say it’s a small percentage... maybe 6%. But when you have hundreds of thousands of pot users, as we do in Northern California, well 6% of them total up to lot of people. This guy was probably one of them. Are most of pot users crazy or delusional? No, the overwhelming majority of them aren’t, but some are, and, yes, pot causes it. I’m saying that there’s a high probability that this Kevin Limbaugh person was one of them. We’ll see, if and when the toxicology report and/or other details about him are released.


21 posted on 01/12/2019 7:00:21 PM PST by irishjuggler
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To: irishjuggler
I never said or suggested that 90% of pot users are paranoid and/or delusional. What I am suggesting is that ~90% of the paranoid/delusional people are potheads. There's a logical difference between those two statements

There is indeed. On literally my first day of college, I learned about the fallacy of the "one way correlation." Do you know that more than 99.9% of mass murderers drank milk as children? Ban milk!

22 posted on 01/12/2019 7:01:05 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: irishjuggler

And if it’s so bad in SF, with all the pot heads murdering cops, why is the murder rate in SF much lower THAN other parts of the country, like the Midwest and South?


23 posted on 01/12/2019 7:02:01 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: irishjuggler

So answer the simple question. Do you believe smoking pot made this guy go out and shoot a cop to death for no reason whatsoever?


24 posted on 01/12/2019 7:04:07 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

The truth about the murder rate in S.F. isn’t politically correct, but I’ll give it to you straight. S.F. has a lower murder rate than most large U.S. cities because African Americans commit homicides at a disproportionately high rate, and San Francisco has a lower African-American population than other large cities. S.F. black population has gone from 14% in 1970 to less than 5% now. They’ve left because they can’t afford the place. And the homicide rate has trended down along with them.


25 posted on 01/12/2019 7:08:05 PM PST by irishjuggler
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To: dragnet2

Yes, I’m saying that there’s a good chance that his delusions about being bombarded by radio waves were caused by marijuana. And those delusions were the source of his animus toward the police.


26 posted on 01/12/2019 7:10:24 PM PST by irishjuggler
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To: irishjuggler
I live in San Francisco, where we have probably the highest rate of marijuana usage in the country, and I encounter delusional people like this regularly.

I see, so the murder rate in SF is lower because it has fewer black folk?

But if all those people smoke pot in SF as you said, and it makes them crazy, why is the murder rate so low compared to other cities?

27 posted on 01/12/2019 7:12:01 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: irishjuggler

OK, so you agree, the suspect shot the cop for no reason at all, was because he smoked pot.

Ya sure ya want to stick with that?


28 posted on 01/12/2019 7:13:04 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
Yes, I'm sticking with it. Educate yourself about pot.

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2019/01/07/the-case-against-cannabis
29 posted on 01/12/2019 7:15:53 PM PST by irishjuggler
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Irishjuggler; The suspect shot the cop to death for no reason at all, because he smoked pot.

Got it!

30 posted on 01/12/2019 7:17:08 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: irishjuggler

Lot of defense of pot smoking on this thread.


31 posted on 01/12/2019 7:17:09 PM PST by raybbr (The left is a poison on society. There is no antidote. Running its course will be painful.)
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To: dragnet2
Lets cut to the chase, so you suggesting smoking pot made this guy go out and shoot a cop to death for no reason whatsoever? Really? Or are you suggesting most people who smoke pot are crazy to begin with?

I'll bite. Most people who smoke pot start when they're young...either in their teens or early 20's. At that age human brains are still in a state of development. Pot use beginning in adolescence has been shown in several clinical studies increases the likelihood of schizophrenia. Pot impedes the development of the brain due to the tendency for it to remain in the brain for an extended amount of time after ingestion.

So yes, people who smoke pot are MORE likely to be crazy and do crazy things then those who do not.

32 posted on 01/12/2019 7:17:13 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: irishjuggler

And if all those people smoke pot in SF as you alluded to, and it makes them crazy, why is the murder rate so low compared to other cities?


33 posted on 01/12/2019 7:18:22 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: DouglasKC
Maybe you could address 14, where the poster said, "San Francisco, where we have probably the highest rate of marijuana usage in the country, and I encounter delusional people like this regularly".

And if all those people smoke pot in SF as the poster alluded to, and it makes them crazy, why is the murder rates and other crime rates so low compared to other cities in the Midwest, South and other regions?

Thanks!

34 posted on 01/12/2019 7:22:27 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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Again, yes, we have a lot of crazy potheads in S.F., and, yes, a lot of their mental illness is caused by pot. They're not all violent but some are. They're not all armed, but a few are. I'm not saying that all pot users are paranoid/delusional. Most of them aren't but a few are. Like the pot head who shot Chris Kyle. Like the pot head who shot Gabby Giffords.

I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand (but then again pot does diminish reasoning). If I said that 90% of folks with lung cancer are tobacco smokers (true), it wouldn't be the same as saying that 90% of tobacco smokers have lung cancer (untrue).
35 posted on 01/12/2019 7:30:07 PM PST by irishjuggler
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Look, I’ve already explained this to you. Pot is a factor in some violent crime, but is just one of many factors. Race is a bigger factor. Blacks commit approximately 50% of the homicides in the U.S. When S.F. has a tiny black population (approximately 60% less than the country as a whole) because median home prices are in the millions and rents are astronomical, you get a lower homicide rate.


36 posted on 01/12/2019 7:38:00 PM PST by irishjuggler
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To: irishjuggler
"San Francisco, where we have probably the highest rate of marijuana usage in the country, and I encounter delusional people like this regularly we have a lot of crazy potheads in S.F., ...and, yes, a lot of their mental illness is caused by pot. They're not all violent but some are.

Could the same be said for the entire non-pot smoking general population of the U.S. in regards to mental illness?

I still can't understand why in some cities that don't consume pot like they do in SF, as you said, why are their crime rates so much higher than SF? What is causing all that violent crime in those cities if pot is used less frequent than in SF?

37 posted on 01/12/2019 7:41:20 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: irishjuggler
So pot is making people in SF kill people, but their crime rates are much lower than many other cities in the U.S., but only because they have more blacks?☺
38 posted on 01/12/2019 7:42:55 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

You got it, chief.


39 posted on 01/12/2019 7:44:00 PM PST by irishjuggler
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To: dragnet2
Maybe you could address 14, where the poster said, "San Francisco, where we have probably the highest rate of marijuana usage in the country, and I encounter delusional people like this regularly". And if all those people smoke pot in SF as the poster alluded to, and it makes them crazy, why is the murder rates and other crime rates so low compared to other cities in the Midwest, South and other regions?

San Franciso is NEAR the top of property crimes for all US cities based on population density. Number 3 as a matter of fact. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate )

It's number 10 for motor vehicle thefts, Number 2 for larceny/theft and 23 for arson. And that's not counting all the "petty" crimes that aren't prosecuted due to the "caring" concern for the homeless (i.e. pooping in the streets, panhandling, prostitution, etc etc)

In addition Oakland, just across the bay, is one of the most dangerous cities in America as far as violent crime goes. So it's a crime ridden city populated by potheads and other druggies who commit all kinds of crimes.

40 posted on 01/12/2019 7:48:38 PM PST by DouglasKC
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