Posted on 10/12/2018 3:57:13 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
Khashoggi never had much time for western-style pluralistic democracy. In the 1970s he joined the Muslim Brotherhood, which exists to rid the Islamic world of western influence. He was a political Islamist until the end, recently praising the Muslim Brotherhood in the Washington Post. He championed the ‘moderate’ Islamist opposition in Syria, whose crimes against humanity are a matter of record. Khashoggi frequently sugarcoated his Islamist beliefs with constant references to freedom and democracy. But he never hid that he was in favour of a Muslim Brotherhood arc throughout the Middle East. His recurring plea to bin Salman in his columns was to embrace not western-style democracy, but the rise of political Islam which the Arab Spring had inadvertently given rise to. For Khashoggi, secularism was the enemy.
Turkish police and intelligence officials claimed that a team of 15 hitmen carrying Saudi diplomatic passports arrived the same morning on two private jets. Their convoy of limousines arrived at the consulate building shortly before Khashoggi did.
Their not-so-secret mission? To torture, then execute, Khashoggi, and videotape the ghastly act for whoever had given the order for his merciless dispatch. Khashoggi’s body,
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World peace would be better served if we opposed any countries which tried to extend their influence beyond their borders and/or beyond the wishes of other countries.
Salman is a Saud. Sauds are members of a vanishing species, major arab royalty. They behave as arabs and as autocratic royalty. We can either use them or we can disdain them but we cannot change them. If we get virtuous and shun them we will pay a large price in the Middle East and not influence their methods and characteristics one whit. If we get the Sauds replaced it is the nature of Arabs that the replacement will be less virtuous than the Sauds and much less useful to us.
I read yesterday, that Turkey says it has proof, because his Iwristwatch recorded the whole thing, and ended up on his iPhone, which he had left in his girlfriend’s possession, while she was outside waiting for him in the car.
DeWalt has a line of compact, battery operated saws that can handle most jobs.
I think that it went down like it did to send a message. The Saudi royals swatted a fly with extreme prejudice and let people know that they did it. I think this Islamicist puke got what was coming to him but, that being said, I believe the world would be a lot better off with Mecca and Medina being green-glassed and ever Saudi Royal put on a pike à la Vlad Dracul.
I don’t understand how killing a jihadiscum is jeopardizing valuable international relationships.
It is because he called himself a journalist? It that why?
corpus delecti - is that something to do with cannibalism?
You can’t buy advertising like this!
No doubt Saudi dissident mouths are snapping shut all around the world.
Many who saw the Muslim Brotherhood as a career stepping stone, are now looking for better options.
“Kill one monkey, scare ten.” (Pol Pot)
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The original Khashoggi are of Turkish heritage, and married into Saudi royalty. Uncle Adnan was the essential arms broker until he forgot to pay off some royals. As for Jamal, he got the first in-depth interview with Osama Bin Laden after the creation of Al Qaeda in August 1988. Jamal has played footsie with Islamists of various stripes for years, and as noted has had a long established relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood. It was one reason he would never return to Saudi Arabia, and it is the reason he is not welcomed in Egypt. He is of course loved by the Washington Post and the US “liberal” establishment.
Not much difference between Arabs and Turks. They apply similar methods. Principally they are Moslems. In history Turks and Arabs have waged war and ruling class intrigues pretty much the same. It is the Asian way.
Draining the Saudi swamp.
Lots of supporting tweets seem to have been deleted by of course @jackhole.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1050872587486720000.html
As Wictor was saying, this was an attempt to frame the Saudis. Guy connected to an AQ terrorist who attempted to ASSASSINATE Mohommad Bin Salman is the *source* for these Kashoggi stories.
If this had been known *from the beginning* we wouldn’t have gotte 3 days of media hysteria over an attempt to frame Mohmmad Bin Salman and Saudi Arabia for Kashoggi’s disappearance.
The media’s MAIN SOURCE for these stories about the disappearance of Khashoggi is an underling of the Al Queda guy that tried to ASSASSINATE the Saudi’s Crown Prince Mohammad Bin Salman a few years ago.
The media has been HIDING this until now....
Thomas Wictor said when the story broke this was a set up of the Saudis and he’s been proven right again.
https://gab.ai/Thomas_Wictor/posts/38389406
(Wictor’s gab thread is WELL worth reading.)
Isikoff and other reporters pushing this story knew if they told everybody it was Saffuri who was their source, people would instantly see his terrorist ties to both Hamas and AQ.
SO TO SUM UP HOW WE GOT HERE: Political partisans disguised as ‘reporters’ found a known Al Qaeda/Hamas operative & used him as source to float rumors Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad Bin Salman had Khashoggi killed cuz Trump’s rhetoric made MbS think he’d get away with it.
This was an attempt at smearing both the Saudis, Mohammad Bin Salman, and President Trump. Likely in the hopes of getting the arms deal between the USA & SA called off.
If so, Trump sniffed this out and now they are gonna wish they hadn’t tried this.
This was a coordinated rollout of a fake narrative to put pressure on Trump to cancel the Saudi arms deal.
https://gab.ai/Thomas_Wictor/posts/38389406 https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1050872587486720000 STEALTH JEFF @drawandstrike As Wictor was saying, this was an attempt to frame the Saudis. Guy connected to an AQ terrorist who attempted to ASSASSINATE Mohommad Bin Salman is the *source* for these Kashoggi stories.
1) Hey, @jabeale and fuck it lets get @Debradelai and @drawandstrike in here too. @JackPosobiec if you’re interested.
The Turkish think we’re all fucking dumb.
First off: the recording story is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE.
I’ve worked Apple tech support. https://t.co/j0UVwplxXs— Kyle (@HNIJohnMiller) October 13, 2018
2) First off, THE APPLE WATCH DOES NOT RECORD ON ITS OWN. It requires an app to be installed which, in the case of their story, must also be installed on the iphone. This is important.— Kyle (@HNIJohnMiller) October 13, 2018
3) The girlfriend claims Jamal left his phone, PRESUMABLY an iPhone, with her outside the embassy.
So he has an apple watch, and she has an iphone.— Kyle (@HNIJohnMiller) October 13, 2018
4) The apple watch connects with an iphone in 2 ways. First is bluetooth which requires range. Her being outside on the street while he’s in a consulate or embassy or w/e puts him OUTSIDE OF RANGE OF BLUETOOTH.— Kyle (@HNIJohnMiller) October 13, 2018
5) The second is by wifi. He was in the consulate/embassy/whatever for the first time. I SINCERELY DOUBT HE HAD THE WIFI PASSWORD. The apple watch also will NOT auto connect to public networks.— Kyle (@HNIJohnMiller) October 13, 2018
6) For the Turkish story to make a bit of ****ing sense, there had to be a wifi connection between the phone and the watch, and a specific app that allows recordings, at which point a recording saved on the watch would transfer to the phone and then to the icloud.— Kyle (@HNIJohnMiller) October 13, 2018
7) BUT THAT REQUIRES A WIFI CONNECTION. A wifi connection for the phone (on the streets of istanbul? HAH) and for the watch (what, did he ask for their wifi password as soon as he ****ing walked in?!)— Kyle (@HNIJohnMiller) October 13, 2018
8) The Turkish government seems to think we’re all ****ing retarded westerners that would buy the bullshit they’re selling. ****ing stupid.
/end— Kyle (@HNIJohnMiller) October 13, 2018
Now there is a A1 intelligence source.
Thanx for the link little jeremiah
Thanks for that. Earlier today, I was wondering what Wictor would be saying on this, but now that he is off twitter, I keep forgetting to go to gab.
Saudi is an ally because of convenience. They sort of help protect Israel. They fight back Iran. And they give us access to the Golf. They are also very friendly to our defense vendors, buying all sorts of weapons at good prices.
You could argue that these reasons are not good enough. You could argue that they teach forms of Islam that hates America. You could argue that they hate Israel too. And I would not disagree. But our state department chooses to take sides in the Iran, Saudi feud. They do this to keep Russia on one side and us on the other. They do this to keep Israel around as well as Jordan and Egypt. It may be a pact with the devil but its been around since world war two.
Excellent post, especially for a novice nerd like myself (who does not even own a smart phone and likely never will.)
This fits in with a speculative posting of mine earlier. I was wondering if this murder scandal might dove tail with the release of the American pastor, Andrew Brunson. Right now the murder case is a he said / they said situation. Releasing the American adds to Turkish credibility in a truly murky situation.
Of course the 'rats - who believe they are uniquely qualified to determine guilt or innocence with no supportive evidence - are calling for severe sanctions. predictable
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