I don’t know that we are disagreeing. My point was, if you gave “perjury” as a reason for firing someone, wouldn’t her or she have to have been convicted of the charge? I would assume that it would be the same with “providing false information”. It would allow the firee to appeal his firing. By saying someone “lacked candor” you’re saying he was less than honest without crossing any legal tripwires. But I’m not a lawyer, so what do I know?
my two dollars worth. In state service in california there are 20some “causes for disciplinary action” you give the details in the report. but the “charges” must allege one or more of the causes in the wording of the cause. For instance “Bringing discredit to state service” (as if)
I agree with the posters who say perjury is a legal term and if you say we dismissed for perjury that means a court conviction. You can say, making false statements or knowingly providing false information which are not the legal terms.
We do agree. But they sugarcoated what he did, when they said that “he was not forthcoming” and “lacked candor”. He lied and they know it.
If they had said that he had committed perjury, which he did, then they would have to make a case on him and take it to a Grand Jury, where the DOJ would have to present it. In this case, it would appear that what he did/said could be fairly evident. So, there wouldn’t be much confusion as to what the definition of, IS, is, like one of our former Presidents was able to do.
The difference between, providing false information and perjury:
False Info: you’re questioned by the Feds or police and they later find out you lied about something.
Perjury: You’re under oath, in some type of proceeding and you lie during your testimony.
Giglio Rule: pertains to federal agents that have been found to, lack candor-not be forthcoming-lied to supervisors. Usually happens when an agent gets in trouble, gives a supervisor a story that is later found to not be the truth. Agent is disciplined. However, agent cannot work anymore criminal cases and are left to administrative tasks and training. Because they are now considered unreliable witnesses, but what they did, doesn’t rise to the level of getting them fired. So, there are quite a few federal agents, making 6-figure salaries, that do nothing but surf the internet, play Spider Solitaire, and peruse Instagram all day, on our dime.
Why are they allowed to do that? So they can keep their jobs and COLLECT THEIR PENSIONS.